Weak boil

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  1. ipas-for-life

    ipas-for-life Savant (1,041) Feb 28, 2012 Virginia

    Brewed this weekend for the first time. I started with 6.5 gallons of water. I was using at 10.5 gallon kettle on a Bayou Classic SQ14. It took around 45-60 minutes to get it to boil. Once I did get a boil it seemed weak. The thermometer was around 210 and wouldn't budge. I tried to wait for it to get going but it would not. So I went ahead and did the 60 min with the weak boil. Will this have a bad effect or is a boil a boil and doesnt matter? I did use 5 drops of Ferm-cap but didn't think that would effect the rate of the boil just the amount of foam. Any help is appreciated.
     
  2. ColdPoncho

    ColdPoncho Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2009 Ohio

    I have brewed several smaller batches (working with about 3.5 gallons of water) on my stove, and I am also used to these weak boils. Not sure why, maybe just the larger quantity doesn't get rolling as well. It hasn't seemed to adversely affect any aspect of the finished product. Still get expected gravity readings, etc.
     
  3. fvernon

    fvernon Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2010 Wisconsin

    I bring my boils down closer to simmers during the cooking process without any problems (so far!); can't imagine it would have any major effect because water doesn't - not counting for other chemicals and pressure - get above 212 degrees F anyway, so once you've reached boiling you have maxed out on that water's temp threshold.
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Will this have a bad effect or is a boil a boil and doesnt matter?”

    Well, it is preferable to have a strong rolling boil. A strong boil has two benefits:

    ·It helps isomerize the bittering hops (achieve ‘good’ hop utilization)

    ·It helps in creating a clear beer

    It would appear that the Bayou Classic SQ14 burner does not have enough BTUs to get your volume (6.5 gallons) boiling properly.

    Cheers!
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Many people use the SQ14 for 10+ gallon batches.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The OP posted: “I was using at 10.5 gallon kettle on a Bayou Classic SQ14. It took around 45-60 minutes to get it to boil. Once I did get a boil it seemed weak.”

    Perhaps you can advise him on how he could get his SQ14 to achieve a rolling boil?

    Cheers!
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No. I can't, because I don't own that model. But I do know enough people who use it to know that advising him that it doesn't have enough BTUs (over 50K IIRC) for a 5 gallon batch is silly.
     
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  8. franklinn

    franklinn Initiate (0) May 29, 2012 Vermont

    Hmm, that's an odd one.. Is it possible your tank was low, and you were not getting enough pressure to really get the thing rippin?
     
  9. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    It is very presumable this beer will have chill haze, so i would advise you to add a bit of silica gel at secondary to reduce stale flavoring.
     
  10. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    Weird...I have SQ-14's, and I have to watch my boils like a hawk once I hit my break, even for a 5-gallon batch. I can boil over really easily unless I stir and spray with starsan, and I dial it back a fair amount and still maintain a good rolling boil after it comes up.

    Was this your first time using the burner? Was it windy? New propane tank or regulator? Could something be up with your regulator/hoses? Maybe try hooking it all up and spraying everything down with soapy water or starsan to check for leaks.

    As others have said, a good rolling boil is desirable to help proteins precipitate and drop out during fermentation to get a clearer beer.
     
  11. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    I have an SQ-14 and can get 6.5 gallons to a boil in 15 min. Did you have an orange flame and get a lot of soot on the bottom of your kettle? If so then your air intake is closed and thats your problem. Open the air intake on the burner until you have a pure blue flame.
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Holy Crap. Welcome back!
     
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  13. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Yes, how was your hiatus?
     
  14. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    true, water boils at 212. but the vigor of the boil is important. not end of the world crucial, but important. a good brew will be virtually jumping out of the pot. this mixes the hop isomers very well, contributes to hot break and also creates some maillard reactions. i like to think of my kettle as a cauldron.

    i would also question the accuracy of the thermometer. if the OP saw boiling but read 210, something is off and i suspect the thermometer is not accurate by a few points.
    Cheers.
     
  15. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    Hey,,, welcome back!
     
  16. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    About fookin'time.
     
  17. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Remember that 212 is boiling for pure water at sea level... I have no clue what the altitude of his location is, but higher elevations can drop the temp a bit. http://whatscookingamerica.net/boilpoint.htm
     
  18. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Time-to-boil can be reduced by heating a partial wort volume before the full pre-boil volume has been collected.

    Other ways to encourage your wort to a reach a rolling boil...
    - Cover the pot with a lid until ramming speed is breached.
    - Cover the boil kettle with a fry-pan 'splatter screen' which reducies heat loss while allowing steam to escape.
    - Cover the kettle with lid and fry-pan 'splatter screen'...then tip the lid periodically to drain off the condensate.
     
  19. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2009 Virginia

    This only applies to extract brewing, but you can leave the lid on partially during the boil to keep some heat in. The risk of DMS is virtually non-existent as it as already been driven off during the manufacturing process.
     
  20. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    Cool story bro.
     
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