Historically Correct Brewing

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  1. BeerVikingSailor

    BeerVikingSailor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,667) Nov 19, 2009 Ohio
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    Saw this today and wondered if this is as unique as it sounds.....a new brewery in a historic complex in Dayton, brewing in a historically correct way like the 1850's.....seems like a novel idea; anyone else know of any other brewery doing something like this?

    "Ohio’s newest brewery is also one of its oldest. The Carillon Brewing Co., housed at the 65-acre Carillon Historical Park in Dayton, recreates brewing from the 1850s.
    And the folks behind the brewery — considered the first of its kind in the U.S. — take that historical mission seriously.
    Workers dress in period costume, and grind and roast all the malt by hand. The small copper kettle is heated with a wood fire and the two-story brick brewing system uses gravity to its advantage.
    The small-batch, unfiltered beers are fermented in oak barrels until they are ready to serve. And the recipes are culled from historical documents, including housewives’ cookbooks.
    Carillon is expected to debut its first two beers — a coriander ale and a porter — on Dec. 11."

    http://www.ohio.com/blogs/the-beer-...rewing-set-to-debut-two-beers-dec-11-1.545980
     
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  2. TheDoctor

    TheDoctor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,484) Mar 7, 2013 Canada (QC)
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    That's a pretty neat idea. If they brew good beer to boot, then it is an amazing idea.
     
  3. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Pretty Things should brew their next historical beer there http://www.oldbeers.com/
     
  4. checktherhyme

    checktherhyme Savant (1,036) Apr 8, 2008 Washington

    Seems like a lot of extra work and inconsistency. Good for them though. It's not easy standing out in craft beer.
     
  5. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The Genesee (no relation) Country Village and Museum in NY state has a historic brewery (don't think it's licensed, however). http://rochester.twcnews.com/content/news/509134/19th-century-beer-brewery-opens/?ap=1&MP

    And Phila. beer historian, Rich Wagner, also does colonial era brewing exhibitions.
    http://www.odessabrewfest.com/photo-gallery/rich-wagner-colonial-brewer
    ...but, again, not a commercial enterprise.
     
  6. mnredsoxfan69

    mnredsoxfan69 Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2013 Minnesota

    I want to watch people in Babylonian garb brewing historically accurate beer whilst praying to Ninkasi.
     
  7. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    The big problem in recreating past brews is getting hold of the ingredients. Modern malt for example is probably quite different from ancient strains and few old hops are still grown (Goldings dates back to the 1700s) , also the way the malt was made is not like it is now.Here's how Fuller's approached the subject.
    See patto1ro in a cameo appearance :slight_smile:
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I just want to echo what @checktherhyme posted: brewing via old methods add a lot of work and introduces the aspect of potential inconsistency to the brewing process.

    An intriguing idea but it is really a good idea?:confused:

    Cheers!
     
  9. palmdalethriller

    palmdalethriller Zealot (624) Dec 26, 2007 California

    It's a very cool story, but like @JackHorzempa and @checktherhyme point out, there's a lot of problems associated with these kind of methods. I'm all for being fun and creative, but I'm more for making good beer. Let's hope they can do both.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Another person who brews via historical brewing methods is Frank Clark at Williamsburg, VA. As you see below he cooperates with a commercial brewery (AleWerks) in making larger scale batches of historical beer.

    Cheers!
     
  11. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Pooh-Bah (1,993) Aug 14, 2005 Colorado
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  12. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    A brewing buddy of mine brewed a Colonial Carolina ale with molasses and licorice root and aged it in Madeira barrels. He researched all the ingredients that would have likely been available to folks in SC at the time. And while he made it to the final four of the Sam Adams Longshot competition with his recipe, he didn't win. When he was out in Denver on SA's dime, Jim Koch basically told him that while he loved his beer, it wouldn't make it into the pack because "historical beers don't sell."

    http://beerpulse.com/2011/08/samuel-adams-longshot-finalists-receive-label-approval/
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Another person who brews historical beers (on the homebrew level) is Bob Grossman. Bob’s day job is as the librarian for the Philadelphia Orchestra (he knows A LOT about how music was played hundreds of years ago).

    Bob gave a presentation at the 2013 National Homebrewers Conference about historical beers which included tastes of beers he made. A quick summary:

    A presentation that Bob Grossman gave at the recent NHC in Philly entitled Colonial Brewing Practices and Beers with the Influences of Historical British Styles. Within the presentation, Bob discussed 6 different historical beers:

    · 1750 Porter

    · Sage Ale

    · Parsnip, Pumpkin & Walnut Ale

    · George Washington Small Beer

    · Ben Franklin Spruce Beer

    · Master Webb’s Braggot

    Bob brewed all of the above beers and provided samples. All of the beers were tasty but my favorite was the 1750 Porter. He actually made some Essentia Bina (Essentia Bina is made from sugar boiled until thick and syrupy and black and extremely bitter) to make that Porter. It was very tasty with a slight tanginess to it.

    You can read a bit about Bob here: https://www.philorch.org/about/musicians/robert-m-grossman#/

    Cheers!
     
  14. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Thank you for posting this. Dayton is in my backyard and I've always been intrigued as to what a truly historically accurate brewed beer would taste like. I know it won't be 100% the same, given changes in barley and hop cultivars, but this sounds about as close as it can get.
     
  15. BeerVikingSailor

    BeerVikingSailor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,667) Nov 19, 2009 Ohio
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    Hope they can make good beer as well.....folks around the Dayton area will be able to judge for themselves next week!

    I think their point is that being "inconsistent" with these old style brewing methods are what people / brewers back in the mid 1800's had to deal with.....floor malting their own barley and grinding it are what makes it local and not "mass produced"....kind of what craft beer is all about. Small batches fermented in oak barrels sounds pretty cool to me! I wish them luck and hope the beer rocks!
     
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  16. BeerVikingSailor

    BeerVikingSailor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,667) Nov 19, 2009 Ohio
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    You are welcome! Dayton is really coming along in the craft beer world the past few years!
     
  17. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Pooh-Bah (2,213) Dec 9, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Do they use 1850s sanitation?
     
  18. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    I wanna swing thru Ohio now. Sounds cool.
     
  19. palmdalethriller

    palmdalethriller Zealot (624) Dec 26, 2007 California

    Small batches fermented in oak barrels sounds like a pretty great way to make salad dressing. But we both agree with your last sentence!
     
  20. GreesyFizeek

    GreesyFizeek Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,026) Mar 6, 2013 New York
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    I've been through their brewery, it's a pretty cool enterprise, but they're not allowed to sell the beer on they brew on premises, due to sanitation issues, as far as I know. It's in an old-fashioned house where anything from the air, bugs or otherwise, could easily get in and contaminate the beer. They send the recipe to a local brewery, Custom Brewcrafters, who brews the beer for them, and sends it back to be served at the Museum. The beer waste that is produced at the actual historical brewery is re-used in the village as compost and animal feed.
     
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