Hauling vs Hoarding

Yes. There was nothing stopping me from getting there earlier and being in front of those 10 guys. It's a free market.

 

Beer has surpassed wine and moved into the crack category. If you call someone a hoarder, you better take a good hard look at your values. If beer failure upsets you to the point you look for scapegoats....You have a problem.

 

Well I'd drink more than a measily 4 pak that I was lucky to get. Less Left Hand Wake the Dead, Less Ten Fidy, less Bells Expedition Stout, less Old Rasputin . I'm seeing a trend, I like all these imperial stouts but not as much as BCS

 

why isnt there a choice "no limit as long as you don't trade/sell any"?

that's what I would've voted. I don't cellar. I don't trade. I don't sell. I don't frequent multiple stores looking for the same beer. But I would like to be able to buy enough of something "limited" to drink for at least a little while. It's unlikely I'd even buy more than a case of any one given beer....even something like KBS....and it would be gone within just a few weeks.

 

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. You first talk about bringing mules then talk about getting there before everyone else. One is fine. The other is not so much.

 

The mule question was posed to me, I didn't bring it up. But since it was brought up I answered honestly. I'm not a big enough beer snob that I only drink one beer. If someone had enough money and power to employ 1,500 mules and buy up all the Darkness at Darkness Day then I would just have to drink something else. I wouldn't whine about it on the internet.

 

The problem with this hypothetical, is that it's hypothetical. In reality you can't trust anybody because there will always be the one (or more) opportunist in every crowd that does not intend to do the right thing. Therefore stores can't give people the benefit of the doubt because a customer says he/she intends to do the right thing (eg buying XX bottles to drink personally or share with friends). That's why there's a limit in the first place. Because most stores feel an obligation to their, more often than not, loyal customers to spread the beer around. That way more people get to try it, and more customers keep coming back because they know they might have a better shot at getting whatever crazy beer we're all hunting that day. Grabbing three buddies to mule for you skirts the bottle limit rule and frustrates its purpose for being imposed in the first place, thereby undermining everything. That's why it is wrong. I can understand why, from a purely capitalistic view, you don't think you should care about the person behind you. I mean the store will make its money either way and they should have been there sooner, right? In theory it hurts everyone but that consumer.

 

What about those that put them on a shelf in the cellar, intending to drink, but waiting for an appropriate time to open a special bottle? Does that count as hoarding as well?

 

Just FYI, that is the definition of a mule. You picked up their allotment because they couldn't.

 

Very well put. If bringing mules isn't hoarding, then nothing is. (And that's the counter argument in a nutshell, it seems .)

 

FFS, a time out is needed here. Having mules is not hard work. You hoarders want to talk about effort and such involved to wake up crazy early to be in freezing temps for two hours outside in line, ok. But FFS, let's not pretend that bringing a mule or two is "work" or any sort of accomplishment.

 

what's the matter, jealous that you don't have the skills to round up a few mules for the rare beer releases, bro?

 

I was not able to score any BCBS but still believe in first come first serve.

 

That said, I don't think it's wrong to go buy the limit at two different stores yourself, if you intend to drink it yourself or share in earnest. I mean within reason at least. I moved away from home five years ago and had to leave behind my craft beer drinking buddy. So now that we live in two separate markets, naturally I have access to certain beers and he has access to others. So now we have a system where he buys an extra of X beer for me if he can, and I buy an extra of Y beer for him if he wants it. When I go home to visit we trade and sample together. More often than not to the point where we should stop drinking the good stuff.

So I guess in summary, the system is not perfect, and it's debatable what should qualify as hoarding as there can really be no clear line. So I guess it's really about how much guilt any given person can tolerate. Muling is wrong but going to another store to buy more is fine to an extent. Does a person really need six cases of really, really strong beer? Then it becomes less a question of "can I?" and more a question of "should I?" Cheers.

 

A bunch of hoarders pointing fingers at each another isn't going to answer the question guys!

 

Yeah I agree, being a dick is much different than hoarding. Hoarding is a sickness and it can be cured, by default. If you're a dick there's probably no hope. Kudos for making the distinction.