Appearance: What makes a 5 rating?

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  1. Kurmaraja

    Kurmaraja Initiate (0) May 21, 2013 California
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    Now that you have to rate every attribute, the rating of appearance is on my mind.

    I find it humorous that (the apparently BEAUTIFUL) Nutulhu has received many 5 scores under the new rating system ... implying that its appearance is perfect. When you pour it I assume a frothing black hole is created, sucking all light from the room, crushing everything that enters the glass into a paradoxical singularity of hazelnut & vanilla. But just the appearance of hazelnut and vanilla since we're not rating smell or taste. Or maybe it actually shoots lazerbeams and smoke from the bottle, creating a hologram of hazelnut & vanilla trees being devoured by a Lovecraftian beast?

    I get that some beers are murky. Some are overcarbed, don't retain any head, are way darker or lighter than expected, etc. Heady Topper, for example, is not as clean as one would expect based on style guidelines. That is also true for Trillium's amazing IPAs / IIPAs. BA Mexican Cake's are flat. All these are great beers that fall short on appearance.

    I see two schools of thought:

    High Scores - Maybe it's relatively easy to get a perfect score on appearance (many stouts are opaque, viscous, have a decent head ... many IPAs are clear, radiant, have a solid head that laces well ... so should be perfect?).

    Score Limits - Appearance tops out around 4.5. I find myself never giving a 5 for appearance simply because 5, to me, is something that makes me say "holy shit" and I've never poured a beer and swooned over appearance.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. johnjohnbeer

    johnjohnbeer Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2012 Ohio

    I honestly prefer my beers super murky, especially IPAs. All of my fav IPAs are murky as hell.
     
  3. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    It's by far the least important part. I personally couldn't care less as long as it tastes good.
     
  4. mlhyatt

    mlhyatt Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2013 Georgia

    I personally think that appearance rating is pointless. Am I really going to rate a beer lower because the head was only half an inch and not a full inch? or the head was a dark khaki instead of a mocha brown? The only things I take into serious consideration when rating is taste smell and mouthfeel. Taste is obviously about 60% of it with smell being about 15% and then mouthfeel about 25%. I especially attribute mouthfeel to a higher percent when judging stouts because a thin stout will ruin everything about the beer for me.
     
  5. Kurmaraja

    Kurmaraja Initiate (0) May 21, 2013 California
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    I like the taste of those beers, for sure. Maybe it also changes mouthfeel for the better. But wouldn't you agree that they are less visually appealing and definitely veer away from style guidelines?

    De Garde beers are a great example. Many look like pond water, taste like funky gold.
     
  6. klawburke

    klawburke Initiate (0) Mar 30, 2013 Massachusetts

    I assume either people rate it based on their perception of what the style is supposed to be (BJCP style guide for example), or rate it with prejudice after they try it, and I assume the majority is the latter.
     
  7. charlzm

    charlzm Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2007 California

    This.
     
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  8. MisSigsFan

    MisSigsFan Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2013 California

    Appearance really has very little to do with how well someone enjoys a beer.

    Tell me that doesn't look sexy as hell.
    [​IMG]
    Hazy/murky beers are glorious. I'm not sure what you mean by style guidelines. Do IPAs really need to look filtered? I think not.
     
  9. BigOldOaf

    BigOldOaf Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2011 Massachusetts

    I'm in the same camp. The smell, taste, and mouthfeel are all more pertinent than appearance when determining if a beer is good or not. For example, a murky beer like BCBBW should, in theory, not get a score of 5 because it doesn't appear particularly inviting. But when you're drinking it, whose really paying attention? For me, if the beer looks inviting to drink then it's a plus. I don't consider the appearance to be a qualifying aspect of what makes a beer worthy. Good topic OP. This is something I've wondered about but never really thought it through.
     
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  10. Flashy

    Flashy Pooh-Bah (1,767) Oct 22, 2003 Vermont
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    That's probably why appearance is rated least important on BA (5% of overall I think). A great beer is a work of art, if you think appearance doesn't matter look through the "Great Beer Guide" by Michael Jackson. With that being said, I agree, I would rather drink a beer that looks like crap, but tastes great.
     
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  11. Phocion

    Phocion Maven (1,455) Aug 5, 2005 Minnesota

    Bingo. I almost always rate appearance according to style.

    However, I have poured a few beers in my life that irregardless of style, just have the most absolutely beautiful color, clarity, and head that just won't fall down but leaves amazingly thick sheets of lacing. It's hard to be objective and care about style when seeing beers that look that good, so I just click 4.75+.
     
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  12. patrickomatic

    patrickomatic Initiate (0) May 1, 2010 Maryland

    If you're going by BJCP standards, it's how well it lines up with the style guideline. For Russian Imperial Stouts:

    Color may range from very dark reddish-brown to jet black. Opaque. Deep tan to dark brown head. Generally has a
    well-formed head, although head retention may be low to moderate. High alcohol and viscosity may be visible in “legs”
    when beer is swirled in a glass.
     
  13. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    And, the BA weighted rating formula reflects that. "Look" is 5% of the overall rating.

    Personally, I more or less rate to style expectations. The "more or less" is because I in no way consider myself qualified to actually "judge" to style. But, Kölsch and Blondes should be pale yellow. Pale ales and IPAs should be amber. Stouts and porters should be dark brown to black. I generally would consider a beer that is too light in color to be more of a fault than one that is too dark, unless it visually crosses a style boundary.

    Besides color, I consider clarity and carbonation (visual bubbles) to be part of "look".

    I consider over-carbonation to be a fault, but Pils & Kölschs are expected to be more carbonated than are porters, for example. British styles less carbonated that American styles. This is how I think, anyway. I've never consulted the "official" judging guidelines.

    I don't give the head "height" much importance, since it varies so much with pouring technique. I do consider head color, retention, and lacing.

    I start at about 4-4.5 and deduct from there.
     
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  14. Kurmaraja

    Kurmaraja Initiate (0) May 21, 2013 California
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    I'm referring to BJCP guidelines. This is how they describe appearance for American IPA though it's true of all other IPA styles with regards to clarity ... a bit hazy is acceptable but there are obviously many beers that push that (again, Trillium):

    Appearance: Color ranges from medium gold to medium reddish
    copper; some versions can have an orange-ish tint.
    Should be clear, although unfiltered dry-hopped versions may
    be a bit hazy. Good head stand with white to off-white color
    should persist.
     
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  15. Kurmaraja

    Kurmaraja Initiate (0) May 21, 2013 California
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    I get it in broad strokes. I just have a hard time discerning a difference between 4.5, 4.75, and 5 in appearance ... where I definitely feel able to do that in smell and taste.
     
  16. busternuggz

    busternuggz Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 California

    Thickness and retention of the head, appropriate color and clarity within style guidelines, lacing. Presence or absence of sediment. These are the technical aspects of appearance rating.

    On the less techinical side, I once went to a Left Hand tasting hosted by one of their brewers. His approach to evaluating appearance was "When you look at it, does it make you want to drink it?" I always remembered that.
     
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  17. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    So what you are saying is that if you gave an IPA a good healthy pour and it formed no head at all and showed virtually no carbonation you'd not care (or even not suspect there may be some poor brewing decisions at work)?
     
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  18. mlhyatt

    mlhyatt Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2013 Georgia

    Right. I'm more concerned about the features I listed.

    But if that did happen then it probably wasn't an IPA anyway :wink:
     
  19. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    Point taken. If your stout comes out yellow something's wrong. Beyond that it doesn't really bother me.
     
  20. MisSigsFan

    MisSigsFan Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2013 California

    "A bit hazy" is very vague. That could mean a lot of things haha.
     
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