Is Oak Aged Enough?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by KindaFondaGoozah, Dec 24, 2014.

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  1. KindaFondaGoozah

    KindaFondaGoozah Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2013 Wisconsin

    My thoughts on the subject haven't quite coalesced, but that's the great thing about forums... I recently picked up a bomber of Left Hand's Wake Up Dead Stout and was thinking about opening it tonight. I then realized that it was the oak aged and not the barrel aged. The devil is in the details. A small, petty part of me was disappointed, and that caused me to wonder, "Why isn't oak aged enough?" It certainly lends plenty of character, and with the price and availability of bourbon and whiskey barrels being what it is, perhaps it's a wise move to look in this direction. Plenty of excellent real ales enjoy their time on wood. Is it enough in the current atmosphere?
     
  2. MisSigsFan

    MisSigsFan Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2013 California

    I'd prefer just oak aged over barrel aged. A lot of times the liquor taste can be too much.
     
  3. Modernrickk

    Modernrickk Pooh-Bah (1,853) Oct 3, 2013 California
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    Oak aged saison is my favorite style right now.. I say yess it is enough
     
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  4. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I'd like to see barrels made from other woods. How about first use hickory barrels? Ash, Maple, any hardwood really. Maybe some softer woods like Cedar too.
     
  5. jds16

    jds16 Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2007 Ohio

    I like my beers Beechwood aged.
     
  6. KindaFondaGoozah

    KindaFondaGoozah Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2013 Wisconsin

    Hmm... Perhaps a pecan wood brown ale? Citrus woods do nothing good to barbecue, but perhaps different for beer. Cedary notes are awesome, but would real cedar overwhelm? Somehow, somewhere the experiment has been done. Results?
     
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  7. superspak

    superspak Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,927) May 5, 2010 North Carolina
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    Pre-spirit aged oak enhances all of the flavors that are common with oak aged beers, along with adding additional flavor complexity. Spirit barrel will always win vs new wood. The wood has already had years of mellowing of tannic flavors due to being in contact with spirits for a period of time as well.
     
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  8. stealth

    stealth Pooh-Bah (2,023) Dec 16, 2011 Minnesota
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    Cigar City's El Monstruo Lupulo was an amazing DIPA - it was aged on Spanish cedar and spruce, and was one of the best IIPA's I've had. Very different, in a real good way. I just finished my last bottle recently, so if you can track one down I'm betting it would still be worth trying.
     
  9. cjgator3

    cjgator3 Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2006 Florida

    Cigar City does some awesome beers on cedar, it really creates some fantastic notes/flavors.
     
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  10. whiterabbit

    whiterabbit Initiate (0) Jan 24, 2010 Ohio

    Definitely. Want more? Go bourbon, whiskey or rum, but oak seems to smooth rather than alter....
     
  11. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
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    Tabasco ages their hot sauce in oak barrels, I think. Do y'all know of any brewer that uses these?
     
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  12. KindaFondaGoozah

    KindaFondaGoozah Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2013 Wisconsin

    We've been to Mcilhenny's little salt dome plantation. That place is tighter than Fort Knox, with no trespassing signs everywhere beyond the factory and the gardens. Not a field of peppers to be seen.

    That being said, the other thing that goes in those barrels is a lot of salt. One would come with the other, but I can picture a Tabasco oyster stout. Let the drooling begin.
     
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  13. DoubleJ

    DoubleJ Grand Pooh-Bah (4,516) Oct 13, 2007 Wisconsin
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    It works with Arrogant Bastard Ale and Yeti Imperial Stout.
     
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  14. Shmuffalo

    Shmuffalo Zealot (731) Feb 26, 2012 Pennsylvania

    White Oak Jai Alai and Great Divide Rumble are two of my favorite easily available oak aged beers. I'd say absolutely, as long as the brewer knows what they're doing.
     
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  15. pluchar

    pluchar Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois

    If I am not mistaken, Cedar is poisonous when left for too long....
     
  16. Hopdaemon39

    Hopdaemon39 Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2011 New York

    So I feel like the "oak-aged" designation is kinda a ripoff. I'm basing this mostly on Oak Aged Arrogant Bastard which has no discernible difference in taste from the regular one... I don't entirely understand the science but I know from whiskey that over the seasons, the barrel absorbs some of the liquid and then releases it, adding color and flavor. It would make sense that oak chips would do something similar but hasn't been the case in my experience.
     
  17. rab53

    rab53 Initiate (0) May 1, 2005 Washington
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    Ithaca's Tastes Like Burning, though (if I remember correctly) it was an entry at Extreme Beer Fest years ago.
     
  18. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Word is they are scared someone is going to sneek some of their peppers out. They are very protective of them. Cycler's Brewing in Montgomery Tx does a virgin french oak of their Domestique Wit. It is quite interesting, it really mutes a lot of the characteristics and you pick up the buttery taste that you associate with a Chardonnay. I think it is really interesting when you can taste 2 beers from the same roots that were handled different side by side.
     
  19. interman

    interman Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2010 Norway

    Barrel-aging supposedly releases more complex flavors (more vanilla etc) as you get a wider range of the wood. Oak chips are typically from the less desirable parts. I haven't done any direct comparisons though, and in my homebrews this years I'm going with oak chips.
     
  20. mig100

    mig100 Pooh-Bah (2,747) Aug 3, 2014 Texas
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    I love both Oak aged and Barrel aged beers... I probably prefer barrel-aging but Oak is enough a lot of the time. It really depends on the beer, and also how much oak flavor is actually present.
     
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