Newbie Question About "Create Your Own" 6-packs

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Harlan_Pepper, Jan 3, 2015.

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  1. Harlan_Pepper

    Harlan_Pepper Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2014 Indiana

    As someone who is fairly new to the world of Craft Beer, I've been trying an awful lot of great brews through the "Create Your Own" 6-pack displays at the local supermarket chains. It's allowed me to find the ones that I want to keep buying and avoid the ones I didn't like.

    With our crazy laws in Indiana, cold beer can only be sold at a liquor store and I've yet to find a liquor store here in Indy that sells single bottles of the craft beers. So I've been buying these warm. My question is in regards to pasteurization and filtering. I've read that most craft beers are unpasteurized and unfiltered (Bell's Two-Hearted even says so right on the label), so I'm wondering if buying these warm presents a problem? So far I haven't detected any skunked bottles but it did get me thinking. After all, wasn't that part of the reason Coors Banquet was so limited during the 70s?
     
  2. 1eyed_jack

    1eyed_jack Initiate (0) Dec 19, 2012 Illinois

    I don't know any technical reasons why, but I'm going to say there is no problem whatsoever and enjoy your beer!
     
  3. tikk

    tikk Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2007 Canada (YT)

    Refrigeration is rarely the issue with the create a sixer. I've had plenty of great beer go from refrgerator to room temp and back and they still taste amazing. I also used them to develop my love of craft beer, and it scared me off of IPA. The reason is that most places use them to get rid of older beers and ipas lose flavor after months on the shelf. A place near me just started the make your own six pack and I looked ta the dates and all of the IPAs are over 4 months.

    Tldr; temp is fine, check dates on IPAs

    Cheers and welcome to the craft beer world,
    Tikk
     
  4. thatoneguymike

    thatoneguymike Pooh-Bah (1,947) Sep 18, 2012 Georgia
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    I know the general idea is that hop focused beers are best when kept cold from start to finish, but that is hardly ever the case. From bottling line to delivery truck, truck to back room, back room to shelf, at some point or another, that beer that is best kept cold probably spent some time sitting idle and non-refrigerated.

    As @tikk mentioned, temperature is probably not going to be much of an issue when selecting your next possible favorite brew, but dates are more your enemy. The fresher the better, generally, and is usually the biggest deciding factor for me and most others.

    We're a beer-**** loving crowd here, don't hesitate to let us know once you pull the trigger what you've found and loved, hated, to preach about or want further advice on!
     
  5. Harlan_Pepper

    Harlan_Pepper Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2014 Indiana

    Thanks for the replies everyone! I will keep my eyes on the expiration dates.

    One other quick question on this topic: Is "bottle conditioning" the same thing as "sterile filtering"?
     
  6. mooseisloose

    mooseisloose Pooh-Bah (1,773) Nov 16, 2005 Florida
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    Warm is ok just chill it for your imbibing pleasure. As a side note I was at fresh market and they had dogfish head 60 minute IPA cold for 11.99 a sixer. They also had cold rows of brew for a 9.99 create your own sixer. One row of beers for create your own sixer was dogfish head 60 minute. Cha Ching!!!!!!
     
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  7. Harlan_Pepper

    Harlan_Pepper Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2014 Indiana

    Thanks for the tip on Fresh Market! We have those around here and I'll have to go up there and check out their selection.
     
  8. tikk

    tikk Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2007 Canada (YT)

    No, bottle conditioning is the act of leaving yeast in the bottle for either carbonation or secondary fermentation reasons. Sterile filtration is a way to take out any particulates or floaties in your beer.
     
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  9. mr_monch

    mr_monch Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2014 Pennsylvania

    If there's sediment in the bottle, it was likely bottle-conditioned. In line with any basic home-brewing procedure, the beer is mixed with a sugar slurry to kick-start some of the yeast still alive in the batch and then immediately packaged. This added step will help carbonate the beer; make a better seal on the container; and get rid of head-space oxygen. Minor filtration can be used to remove solids from the beer if need be, but I doubt it is used extensively once the wort has been fermented into beer.

    In sterile filtration, the beer is a finished product before undergoing filtration through sterile filters. This removes yeast and essentially makes beer sterile (so long as the fillers are cleaned properly). Oftentimes you'll see beer packaged in a "clean room" at breweries utilizing this technique in order to avoid any sort of unintentional microbial contamination. Bottle-conditioned beers rarely undergo such extensive filtration as they utilize the yeast in the finishing process.

    With either technique, storing the beer warm does not pose a problem (so long as they were done right). Yeast in most bottle-conditioned beers will die off before it hits the market, so storing it warm will have no impact on its growth. Sterile-filtered beer typically has no/minimal microbe activity in it for months, so again, storing warm is not an issue.

    Skunking wouldn't result from improper filtration/conditioning, but rather occurs when beer is exposed to UV light (exposure is not really limited to any amount of time). Coors Banquet was unpasteurized and unfiltered (I doubt they would have bothered with bottle-conditioning), so leaving it un-refrigerated would have caused spoilage. I believe that since the early 90's they have used sterile-filtration on Coors Banquet in order to widen distribution. Almost all beer undergoes one of the three main treatments (pasteurization, sterile-filtration, bottle-conditioning) before hitting the bottle/can/keg/pouch these days.
     
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  10. tim007007

    tim007007 Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2014 Illinois
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    Ditto. I have been lucky enough to do the same with 90 minute on a couple occasions. This is why I always check the create your own area to see if there is anything different.
     
  11. DoubleJ

    DoubleJ Grand Pooh-Bah (4,516) Oct 13, 2007 Wisconsin
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    During this time of year, I wouldn't worry about beer sitting at room temperature. Instead, I would focus on the freshness/born on dates of the beers purchased. For nearly any beer, freshness is king.
     
  12. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Coors was one of the primary developers of the "microfiltered/sterile fill" method (aka "real draft in a can/bottle") as an alternative to traditional tunnel pasteurization back in the late 1950s - concurrent with their work on the 2-piece aluminum beer can (necessary for the former process).

    Here's how Coors themselves explained it in a late 1970s promotional booklet "A Handful of Questions about Coors":

    and:
    Coors filters being installed, circa 1980, from company publication The Adolph Coors Story:
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  13. micromaniac129

    micromaniac129 Initiate (0) Nov 1, 2009 Pennsylvania

    keep your eye on the dates.
     
  14. Rback

    Rback Crusader (489) Feb 26, 2012 New York

    Shhhh-don't tell them
     
  15. Jguthpsu

    Jguthpsu Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2014 New Jersey

    The "create your own 6" has also helped me in this new/vast game of craft beer. Before discovering the "create your own," I'd buy a regular 6 pack - if I liked it, great. If not, the rest of the pack went to waste or I'd take it to a party/picnic and pass it off to someone else. Anyway, I just recently realized that you have to be careful with the date. Since recently finding a bottle with a "bottled" date of almost 6 months ago, I now check every bottle before putting it in my pack.
     
  16. TurkeyFeathers

    TurkeyFeathers Initiate (0) Jun 22, 2014 New York

    Easy fix : mix a 6 of stouts. Better at room temperature :wink:
     
  17. BurgeoningBrewhead

    BurgeoningBrewhead Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    1. Buying warm is no problem. Temperature changes are [almost] not a problem unless you're dealing with constant swings over years (like when aging beer)
    2. Checking dates on beers should become almost a reflex. It'll help you always find fresh hoppy beers, and sometimes you'll find a pre-aged stout too!

    That's why every place I've ever seen has a "no more than 2 of the same beer" rule on their mix-a-six sections...but if yours doesn't, by all means take advantage!
     
  18. Andrew041180

    Andrew041180 Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    Hang on. Are you telling me that Indiana allows beer to be sold at supermarkets, but only if it is unrefrigerated? I've read some funny laws from other states on these threads before, but this one might take the cake. As long as the cake is unrefrigerated as well.
     
  19. mooseisloose

    mooseisloose Pooh-Bah (1,773) Nov 16, 2005 Florida
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    It's probably some logic that if it not cold you can't drink it right away so you need to take it home a put it in the fridge so now you are at home. It is indeed bizarre.
     
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  20. mooseisloose

    mooseisloose Pooh-Bah (1,773) Nov 16, 2005 Florida
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    Even funnier though Andrew is the banning of Happy Hour, only one state in the whole United States has done that! How can Happy Hour be "banned"?
     
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