Fraudulent Taps?

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  1. lambpasty

    lambpasty Initiate (0) May 3, 2013 New Hampshire

    I've had this happen to me once, and it was a line mixup. Little dive bar was serving 32oz draft PBR's for $2, but it was without a doubt SN Pale Ale coming out of the tap. After the first one I told them and they fixed it, but continued to serve me enormous $2 SN's the rest of the night :grinning:

    My guess is it was either an old keg they didn't want to dump or weren't paying attention to, or it was probably accidental tap line mismatch. I would imagine though that you'd be right as far as legality goes if a place did that on purpose, but if someone is doing that with a well-known beer it's only a matter of time before someone comes in a recognizes that is isn't what they say it is so I don't know that the risk would really be worth the reward.
     
  2. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado


    Exactly what I was going to say. From experience, unless the kegs were placed in the cooler improperly when delivered, the chance of crossed lines is minimal unless the cooler is drastically undersized.
     
  3. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado


    IIRC, that was intentional. I believe the "regulars" were informed about it ahead of time.
     
  4. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado



    Along with Celebration, Nugget Nectar and anything else someone hasn't tasted in a year.
     
  5. Jakmag

    Jakmag Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2014 Massachusetts

    I've worked in various stages of the alcohol industry for over 25 years, I don't know about California, but in Mass, they will sell Busch kegs as Bud light, Smirnoff vodka as Absolut. Most local watering holes will and do try to cut corners as much as possible to make as much profit as possible. I can't imagine that it doesn't run into higher craft beers section either. They as all do blame someone else if caught. It has been going on forever, and will continue to as long as there are sleezy people in charge of bars.
     
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  6. jstout26

    jstout26 Pundit (796) May 30, 2013 New Hampshire
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  7. gopens44

    gopens44 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,560) Aug 9, 2010 Virginia
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    I'd posted about an experience a while back with a bona fide line cross up (IPA was poured from a tap offering a single). If the cooler has spaghetti for lines due to 20 -30 or more taps and they are slam busy and hefting empties around full backup kegs takes attention away from the task at hand (or the bar backs lean towards inexperienced), than I'd say it's a miracle this doesn't occur more often.
     
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  8. bkbergen

    bkbergen Zealot (639) Jan 5, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Went to a bar my buddy bartends (only works on Sundays) @ and he tells me to order a Stone IPA. I say why? I can drink that anywhere. He says someone early in the week tapped a Stone Enjoy By as a regular IPA! That is a 93$ difference on cost of keg and were sold as pints not 10-12 oz pours. They took a loss on that keg.
     
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  9. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado


    And I was at Beer Mongers when I visited Portland last October. Great place. Small but great. Got there pretty close to opening so it was empty. As he was checking inventory and I was enjoying a habenero Sculpin, I struck up a conversation with the bartender and he recommended I go across the street to Apex to try some Barley Brown. Since I'd never heard of Barley Brown, I told him I didn't like brown ales. He didn't hold it against me and told me the beer was Pallet Jack IPA. Delicious and a nice gesture on his part.

    As far as I'm concerned, mislabeling a rare beer is a great way to take care of regulars [and anyone else who has the brains to figure out what they were doing charging $7 for a 12 oz. Miller.
     
  10. JScoot

    JScoot Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2014 Louisiana

    I have an account in my market that sells Timmermans Framboise with a Lindemans Framboise tap handle.
     
  11. Andrew3366

    Andrew3366 Aspirant (229) Dec 13, 2012 Illinois

    We had a permanent handle for one of our beers at an establishment, one day they quit ordering. Find out 3 months later they still had us on the menu, and when people ordered our beer they served them the cheap alternative they were buying. So disgusting, and potentially so damaging to our brand.
     
  12. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    At my favorite bar my favorite server will often bring me a flight of what she and the bar tender think I haven't had. A few weeks ago out of 7 beers, 3 of them - a Deschutes, a Victory, and a Bells - all were indistinguishable and tasted vegetal - like someone dumped a can of canned green bean juice into the beers. Bad beer lines. Unfortunately, this happens way more than it should.
     
  13. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado


    I worked in the industry many years ago and I suppose very little has changed. However, at the time I was involved, that type of stuff was few and far between and mostly at cut-rate bars and for special events like New Year's Eve, etc. - but never for regular customers.
     
  14. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Do I think people may lie in order to profit?

    Yes.

    Yes, I do.

    Yes, I do indeed.
     
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  15. Rollzroyce21

    Rollzroyce21 Pooh-Bah (2,211) Oct 24, 2009 California
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    I see, didn't know it was winter seasonal. This makes sense then.
     
  16. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    customers in the bar shouldn't have to know whether or not the beer is seasonal. somebody at that bar dropped the ball big time.
     
  17. BeerMeBro720

    BeerMeBro720 Initiate (0) May 2, 2013 Ohio

    An out of town restaurant chain just came to Columbus and I ordered a CBC Bodhi like most upstanding locals would do. Turns out it was Miller Lite...pretty easy to tell IMO

    The manager was pouring me other samples to figure out what they were
     
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  18. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Yep, it was certainly different this year. Still excellent, but last year's had the most citrusy, resinous nose of any IPA I've ever smelled and the malt backbone was minimal. This year's nose, while still great, was dialed back a bit in the citrusy, "catty" department and there was a noticeable increase in malt content. I'll still buy a 4-pack every year though. Love the shit out of that beer. And yeah OP, that was an old keg you had. Either they waited way too long to tap it or it just didn't sell for some reason (I'm thinking it was the former since it's a fantastic IPA).
     
  19. DeadWalkerAir

    DeadWalkerAir Maven (1,478) Jan 7, 2014 South Carolina

    I had this happen on New Years, I ordered a Port City Porter at a bar here in DC and the gal brought me what was clearly an Amber. She was nice about it but she said she got the right beer. She went back to the bar and then brought me back the Porter when she realized she was wrong.
     
  20. Canada_Dan

    Canada_Dan Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2013 Colorado

    Probably should find a new favorite bar...
     
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