SN Bigfoot ID

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by Roguer, Jan 17, 2015.

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  1. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    The picture has © 1989 S.N.BR. CO. on it. Not sure how helpful that is. Love the label btw and it's almost in mint condition. What's the ABV?
     
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  2. tikk

    tikk Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2007 Canada (YT)

    Iso:this beer ft:my soul. Kidding I have no soul left. That cap scares me a little bit. It looks worse for wear, hopefully it's not leaking.
    Crack it open and let us know how it tastes.m
     
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  3. misternebbie

    misternebbie Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2014 Pennsylvania

    I don't think Id drink it, seriously
     
  4. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    Where is @jesskidden when we need him?
     
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  5. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    Just pour it in a glass and "study" it for a few minutes. If it looks and smells fine, then give it a taste. If it's from the late 80's or early 90's, it's probably bad.
     
  6. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Good catch- I bet that tells the tale. I just tried google images, and found one that I think said 1992, but it took a hell of a lot of zooming and squinting, so who knows what that's worth. It does make sense, though, that for a certain period, the vintage was noted on the label in that manner. (In other states, of course, the crown would have the year prominently displayed- back to '87 from what I could see).
     
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  7. are_doubleyou

    are_doubleyou Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2014 Illinois

    Even if it is well past it's prime, I feel like you should drink this in the name of beer science.
     
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  8. bozodogbreath

    bozodogbreath Savant (1,128) Oct 19, 2006 Indiana
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    A great score! The crown is a little worrisome, but it wouldn't stop me from drinking it along side of a fresh one.
     
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  9. floridadrift

    floridadrift Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2014 Florida

    TIS THE SEASON! 2015 is on the shelf my dude.
     
  10. IAmJacksHopTongue

    IAmJacksHopTongue Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2013 Indiana

    I think anything dangerous would be noticeable before you drank it. Otherwise, if it's bad, it just won't taste good.
     
  11. LakerLeith

    LakerLeith Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2013 California

    I think its like between 87-89/90 because that was when they didn't have the foot with the date on it on the caps
     
  12. nicholasofcusa

    nicholasofcusa Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2006 Florida

    I have Bigfoot from 2005 with the same label. The cap reads 2005 Expedition, and it's definitely not a twist off.
     
  13. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    "Florida" on the crown was simply the state regulation at the time to signify that the Florida excise tax on that bottle was paid. (Similar to how cigarettes have a inked tax stamp on the base, although that is done on the wholesale level and the crowns are obviously applied at the brewery. Don't know the exact process on how it worked, but I think the "generic" version meant that SN didn't want to spend the money on a small quantity of Bigfoot logoed "Florida" crowns) .

    Can lids were typically stamped or embossed for the same reason. Don't know when Florida changed the law. Numerous states once had similar regulations.

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    For a date, I'd look for a two digit "year" embossed around the base of the bottle and assume it was bottled in the previous year's bottles (since it's a January release). For example, I just pulled a 2004 Bigfoot from the cellar, and near the embossed bottle manufacturer's logo there's a "03". Also, there a white ink stamped code (under"G" in Bigfoot) that I assume is a date code "3347" on mine - 347th day of 2003. Never noticed that on a Bigfoot label before, but since the crowns were dated there was no reason to look. Unfortunately, that date code is missing from the image in Roguer's OP.
     
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  14. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Thanks for all the feedback, guys!

    I saw the 1989 on the label, but it's a copyright date...so it may not pertain to the bottle date at all. Great clues and info, @TongoRad and @jesskidden .

    As to others: I cannot find an ABV listed anywhere. It has certainly not been stored at proper temperature or away from light; it's going to be totally disgusting. At this point, it might be better kept as a relic vice drank (although, you know...for science and all...).

    There are some raised letters on the bottom of the glass, but it's a glass code, and doesn't seem related to the beer. So the label itself and the twist off Florida cap seem to be the only significant clues.

    ....guys? If I drink this tonight and don't post tomorrow, tell my family I love them. :wink:
     
  15. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    US beer labels could not legally list ABV (except in a very few states that required it) until the mid-1990s on the national level. Even after it became legal, not every brewer did it - in some cases, because they did not want to print different labels for distribution in states that legalized it and those that did not.

    Well, as I noted, the bottle manufacturer's embossed coding along the base of the bottle (not on the base itself where it was on older bottles) includes the two digit year the bottle was manufactured, so the beer inside such a bottle obviously cannot be any older than that date and typically is within a year of that date (few breweries are going to buy bottles in quantities so large that they'll last more than a year). This dating method works for every dated SN bottle (Bigfoot and Celebration) I have going back to the 1980s.
     
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  16. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Here's another bottle of strangeness they have on hand:

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    I didn't know TurboDog was an old beer. This definitely looks like an old bottle, though; the dust alone looks older than my kids. :grimacing:
     
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  17. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    P-3 21 92 31

    That's the only thing I could find on the bottle itself. I suppose that could indicate 1992? Each two-digit code is separated noticeably, as well.

    That ABV law is so amusing; from what I have heard, there are some states where that is still the law regarding menus (no printed ABVs next to the beer). It seems completely backwards. "Want to know what you're putting into your body? ILLEGAL!" :astonished:
     
  18. zeff80

    zeff80 Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,425) Feb 6, 2006 Missouri
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    I've had a white labeled one before. I believe the abandoned the white labels in 2007. So its at least that old.
     
  19. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, so probably a 1993 Bigfoot (bottled late in the year for Jan. release). A 1990 Celebration Ale bottle I have is glass mfg'r coded "P-2 21 90", for example. In-between your 21 and 92 there is probably an oval with a digit - could be an "I" maybe a "1". That is probably the Owens-Illinois logo being used at the time.

    In the immediate post-Repeal period, when the Feds were writing the new alcoholic beverage regulations, brewers did not want to be required to list ABV on the beer labels. Still a bit gun-shy after Prohibition, they were still in the mindset of not wanting to stress the alcohol level in beer (which they felt was a side-effect of Prohibition).
    Most beer in the US at the time was between 4 - 6% abv and they did not want create an "arms race" of higher and higher alcohol. And that did happen to a certain extent after ABV on labels was legalized in the mid-90s, especially in the malt liquor market, but also in the craft market.
     
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  20. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Yes, there is! I wasn't sure if it was an I or a 1.
     
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