do different hop types "last" longer?

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  1. brother_rebus

    brother_rebus Pooh-Bah (2,512) Jul 28, 2014 Maine
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    So obviously a beer's shelf life or expiration date or general wellbeing depends on many different factors. That being said, is there any inclination to believe that a certain strain of hop would age slower or better / last longer?
    Yes, google exists, but I was looking more for varying personal experiences from fellow BAs.
    Thanks in advance.

    ( FWIW:
    This arose when I found an "expired" mixed 12 pack of Sam Adams Latitude48 IPA. The pack has 5 different brews that were single-hop brewed. Versus the Lattitude 48 that has all 5 strains in it. Its basically a break-down of the Lat48. I have my ideas. Let's here your's)
     
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  2. doktorhops

    doktorhops Pooh-Bah (2,065) Jan 12, 2011 Australia
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    Yes, different hop types lose Alpha acids at different rates, but you will be hard pressed to find the exact timing for this even from the brewers themselves as hops do contain volatile flavour compounds that lose their essence fairly easily.

    In fact I recently had an "out of date" Deschutes Fresh Squeezed IPA but it tasted as hoppy as a fresh one I had... various factors in shelf life are: How is the beer stored, at what temperature, has UV light hit the bottle, what was the quality at the brewery, how was it transported, etc... with so many variables it is almost impossible to give the exact "best by" date, in fact an Aussie brewer Coopers gives a "best after" date (working in a bar this can be annoying having to explain to customers who've bought back their beer because it was "out of date").

    In conclusion: Just because an IPA is past its best before date doesn't mean it will have lost its hop flavours but you generally want to drink it before it gets to that date anyway to be on the safe side.
     
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  3. kerry4porters

    kerry4porters Maven (1,495) Dec 31, 2012 Arizona

    found i got more of a grapefruit zest flavor from Grapefruit Sculpin a few months after the bottling
     
  4. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Cascade is notorious for losing AA quickly.
    NB and Galena keep well.

    % of AA retained after one year of cold storage at 5F can be about 2 to 3 times that of storage at 68F.
    remember that hops are harvested once a year in each hemisphere.

    as for the amount of IBUs, flavor and aroma retained in the finished beer, that is impossible to predict due to all of the variables involved with brewing. the hops themselves have varying ratios of AA and BA % along with a a few other important but tiny volumes of other chemicals. some fade quicker than others and that greatly impacts the flavor of the brew. combined with yeast, malt and brewing procedure there are no hard rules.
    Cheers.
     
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  5. LMT

    LMT Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2009 Virginia

    I could totally be remembering this wrong, but I recall someone on BA posting a study of some sort stating that storage temperature more than any other factor causes hop freshness to decline.

    I think it may even have been Sierra Nevada internal research (maybe from @sierranevadabill).
     
  6. zac16125

    zac16125 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,432) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    Anecdotally I would say that Citra heavy IPAs/DIPAs tend to have the shortest shelf life for my personal palate preferences. Then again, I'm not as big into Citra hops as many (most) here seem to be.
     
  7. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    My anecdotal experience accords with this study
     
  8. BerBen

    BerBen Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2014 Pennsylvania

    I have read and been told beers with higher BETA acid hops will keep longer.
     
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  9. brother_rebus

    brother_rebus Pooh-Bah (2,512) Jul 28, 2014 Maine
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    "East Kent Goldings" hopped IPA got custy right off the best by date.
    Had a "Hallertau-M(whateverthefuxitis) hopped IPA that tasted delicious, if not better than fresh.
     
  10. BillManley

    BillManley Pundit (954) Jul 2, 2008 North Carolina
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    I wouldn't say temperature is the most important factor. Dissolved oxygen in packaged beer is probably more detrimental, but that is controlled at the brewery level. After the beer is packaged, however, temperature is a huge factor. The higher the temperature, the quicker the staling effects take hold, including a drastically diminished hop presence.

    I may have misread this question: In storage of hops, temperature has a massive effect on quality in the long term.

    -Bill
     
  11. LMT

    LMT Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2009 Virginia

    Thanks, Bill for the clarification.
     
  12. Stagga_Lee

    Stagga_Lee Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2014 Massachusetts

    I'm not sure about the exact hop profile, but Torpedo always seems to hold its strength for a while. All physical factors being equal of course.
     
  13. brother_rebus

    brother_rebus Pooh-Bah (2,512) Jul 28, 2014 Maine
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    I too have noticed this. May have to do with slightly higher ABV maybe.
     
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  14. BigHopValley

    BigHopValley Devotee (317) Jul 18, 2014 Washington

    I buy quite a bit of Laurelwood Workhorse mainly because is tastes so good, and the price is so reasonable
    Ive noticed a couple of times the Simcoe was very prominent and then looking to see the brewed on date was 3 months or so.
     
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  15. brother_rebus

    brother_rebus Pooh-Bah (2,512) Jul 28, 2014 Maine
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    The simcoe ipa i had also was decent past date.
    Not as good as the Hallertau
     
  16. BigHopValley

    BigHopValley Devotee (317) Jul 18, 2014 Washington

    I meant to convey was that the Simcoe was more prevalent than the Cascade & Amarillo after 3 months...but still decent.
     
  17. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    They absolutely do vary in shelf-life. Some are good, some are very poor. This is a good resource:

    http://beerlegends.com/simcoe-hops

    cheers
     
  18. TheFugitive

    TheFugitive Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Illinois

    I notice the hops used in Zombie Dust dissipate very quick. I also noticed the hop profile changes with every batch and the consistency is always an issue
     
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  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Shane, in your brewing have you noticed that some varieties of hops fade quicker in the resulting beer vs. other variety types? If so, does the longevity of hop aroma/flavor in the finished beer influence which hops you use for your Sixpoint commercial beers?

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
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  20. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    Great thread OP and contributors. Is it 2008?
     
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