Beer went bad? Sour

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  1. DeeDub64

    DeeDub64 Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2014 California

    I've had beer that just went bad and it has always been clear to me when it happens that it wasn't stored properly and it just got skunky and tasted bad. Last night I had a beer that I realized about halfway through that it didn't taste the way it should. It was sour, and I wasn't drinking a sour if you follow. Is there something that causes a bottled beer to go sour? Is it something that happens after bottling? or was the beer not right before it even got to the bottle? Should I let the brewery know? It was a Belgian Strong. I saw some similar complaints on Untapped so I know its not just me.
    I'm sorry if these are really stupid questions. I'm just trying to learn. If I never ask I will never learn.
    Thanks
     
  2. StoutSnob40

    StoutSnob40 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,611) Jan 4, 2013 California
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    Bacteria.. Probably was bottled with it, unintentionally.
     
  3. pagriley

    pagriley Pooh-Bah (2,382) Oct 27, 2014 Illinois
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    Totally reasonable question!

    I am still pretty new, and am not sure of the exact technicalities, but my hunch is that you probably got an infected bottle. People tend to freak out a bit at the word infected, but basically some wild yeast (or undesired yeast) gets into the bottle and slowly ferments the residual sugars and gives sour notes.

    Some brewers pasteurize before bottling to avoid infections but this can impact the beer flavor. It can happen, and it is worth contacting the brewer so they can identify the cause and fix
     
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  4. SteelersX

    SteelersX Savant (1,130) Jan 30, 2011 New York
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    It's the worst when a brewery tries to pass of an infected beer as a sour.
     
  5. JamesShoemaker

    JamesShoemaker Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2012 Michigan

    When has that happened? I'm not being a dick, I'm seriously curious about it.
     
  6. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    Not sure what a Belgian Strong is, but what was the name of that beer?
     
  7. SteelersX

    SteelersX Savant (1,130) Jan 30, 2011 New York
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    Try Darkhorse for starters. Ask the question. I'll bet you get hundreds of responses.
     
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  8. DeeDub64

    DeeDub64 Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2014 California

    Okay, well I might as well name the beer. It was called Dubbel Vission by Aftershock Brewery. They call it a Belgian Strong at 9.3% ABV. I purchased the bottle at Barons Market.
     
  9. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    All beer has bacteria but it's controlled. When it's not control correctly it grows and spoils the beer. If the beer was drank super fresh you might not of tasted it or not as much but the longer it sits the more the bacteria will grow.

    I would let the brewery know for sure so they avoid other infections.
     
  10. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Savant (1,044) Jul 4, 2013 Antarctica


    Lost Abbey used to be notorious for this, along with "it's supposed to be flat, just like cask beer!" for a beer that was carbonated on cask and draft but not bottle.
     
  11. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    This one? http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/31398/92671/
     
  12. DeeDub64

    DeeDub64 Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2014 California

  13. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Savant (1,044) Jul 4, 2013 Antarctica

    It would be strange if you didn't notice it tasted sour until halfway through the bottle...but regardless, beers marketed as Belgian dark ales, strong dark ales, dubbels or quads are normally not sour. If it is, a lactobacillus infection is likely. It's harmless stuff, might make your stomach feel a bit strange, but nothing that will hurt you. Some beers are intentionally inoculated with lactobacillus or other bacterial species to deliberately sour a beer; others are intentionally exposed to outside air in the hope they will get bacteria into the beer, again so that it becomes sour.

    Both of these things are very rare in the grand scheme of things, and for the most part a beer that isn't labelled wild ale, sour ale, or lambic is not intended to be sour. It's not possible for a non-infected beer to become infected in the bottle, but it is possible for an infected beer to not taste sour at bottling time; if the infection hasn't "spread" throughout the beer, if you follow me, then taste testers won't pick up sourness before they send the beer to store shelves.
     
  14. frazbri

    frazbri Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2003 Ohio

    One little point... replace bacterial with microbiological. The microorganisms that cause beer spoilage can be many things that are not bacteria.
     
  15. DeeDub64

    DeeDub64 Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2014 California

    It's not that I didn't notice that it was sour, that was clear. I just wasn't sure it was meant to be sour. I had to double check the bottle to see if I read it correctly the first time. I made sure it said Belgian strong and nothing about sour. Because lets be honest, these days with blending styles and what not you never know what the brewer was intending. Even if I didn't like the sour flavor that seemed to destroy the other flavors, doesn't mean the brewer didn't want that.

    Thanks everyone for the comments. Very helpful.
     
  16. pagriley

    pagriley Pooh-Bah (2,382) Oct 27, 2014 Illinois
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    I had a similar experience last night actually with a bourbon barrel quad.

    Not a ton of bourbon or barrel, but there was this slight hint of sour in the finish that made me think there was something in there - a bit of lacto or some wild yeast from the barrel We only had 1 bottle, but I had a hunch it would get pretty sour if we had a spare to age.

    It wasn't necessarily bad - just not what we expected. If the brewery is a good one, they will look into it and do testing, and perhaps even recall the batch. Some brewers have even discontinued popular special releases simply because they couldn't control the wild yeasts and would rather not make the beer than keep releasing beers that sour over time.
     
  17. JeremyDanner

    JeremyDanner Zealot (679) Dec 20, 2005 Missouri

    Bingo! Whenever you drink a beer that you doubt is as the brewer intended, your first step should be to reach out to the brewery. We want to hear about your experience and are the best equipped to provide information.

    I can't speak for what other breweries do, but all QA/QC complaints we receive are forwarded to our Quality Lab Manager. In cases where you're able to provide batch ID codes, we pull library samples from those runs and perform the same analytical tests we do at the time of release to compare the two. We also taste the beers side by side. Should we determine that the beer has been compromised by a beer spoiler, we test it with our PCR to determine what it was:

    http://www.boulevard.com/brewing-toys-real-time-pcr/

    Should we find anything, we're quite open and honest in the response email we send.
     
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  18. pagriley

    pagriley Pooh-Bah (2,382) Oct 27, 2014 Illinois
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    Yep - this.

    Central Waters went through a horrible process with batches of Peruvian Morning having infection / yeast issues but they were completely honest and up front, and recalled the beers because although it was very slight, they new the beers would age poorly (and many people buy that beer to age).

    We are buying and drinking a hand made, crafted product, so there is variation and natural yeasts messing with the process sometimes - it is all about how the brewery responds.
     
  19. Sponan

    Sponan Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2008 Tennessee

    Not to be contrary, but if the bottle is not properly cleaned and sterilized it can be the source of the quality issue.:astonished:
     
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  20. oldsailor

    oldsailor Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2008 Connecticut

    It sucks, but it does happen. I was depressed when it happened to my first six pack of Stone's Go To IPA...luckily my second sixer was all good!
     
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