Is beer tasting purely subjective?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Maltanator, Feb 13, 2015.

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  1. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    There are objective parameters that you can look at while tasting, but it is subjective as to if you enjoy them or not. While there are a range of beers we accept as pilsners, I prefer mine to be decidedly hoppier than not. That's as subjective as it gets. I've heard judges say " I dislike this style" and have their scoring match to the number what another judge who likes the style has given the same beer. If given a specific guideline as to what we can all agree that style should be it makes being objective easier.
    As for hype, BA, ratings and beer, that's another story. In my experience with hype I find that the beers I try that have been talked up seem to always fall short of my expectations. Two beers that I didn't know had a huge hype train were Juicy and Tweek. Both of them blew me away, and I believe it is because I didn't have any preconceived notion as to what I was about to taste.
     
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  2. charlzm

    charlzm Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2007 California

    Short answer?

    Yes.
     
  3. Sanderson

    Sanderson Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2014 Washington

  4. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    I agree with this. I tried to see what others like in FBS. It's not that great of a beer to me. Yet, Founders Imperial Stout blew my socks off!
     
  5. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks @JackHorzempa :slight_smile:

    ...and now I really wish I had caught that "Your/You're" grammar error in the previous post! :grimacing:
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Ah, no biggy?I screw up grammar all the time. Spell check only gets you so far unfortunately.:flushed:

    Cheers!
     
  7. Jirin

    Jirin Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2013 Massachusetts

    There's a term I've seen thrown around on film boards called 'Intersubjective' to describe taste.

    Basically it says in the absolute sense, taste is subjective, but relative to agreed upon parameters, it can be discussed objectively.
     
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  8. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    As pointed out above, flavor is subjective but it can be made objective. However, remember just because it is subjective does not mean that everyone's perception of flavor is different from everyone else. There are lots of overlaps and commonalities. Think of hair color. Lots of people have brown hair, but within that category there's a fair amount of individual differences even though we still say the color brown.

    That said, there are lots of external factors that can influence flavors or how we think things taste and smell. Here is an entertaining video in which some of the research studies are illustrated in a sort of natural setting.

     
  9. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Of course ratings are subjective, like most things. Hell, I bet you could find a few guys who thinks Steel Reserve is just swell, just might take a few thousand guys and some time.
     
  10. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Agree wholeheartedly with the idea that small tastings mean nothing.
    I was a beer judge last year and our selection was ordinary bitters. Beers which were intended to be drunk in pints.Beers where the true character may not manifest itself straight away.Those which seem ordinary to begin with but you find you are enjoying more and more as you go down the glass.Or those whose first impressions seem to promise much but you find you tire of them after a while.
    It was quite difficult to judge ten beers of this type.
     
  11. weltywm

    weltywm Zealot (590) Jul 27, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Subjective doesn't necessarily mean bad either. Factors ranging from price to personal preference to the environment you are drinking in can all influence you to like a beer more - but at the end of the day, you still liked it more, right? There are some circumstances where you might enjoy a Sierra Nevada PA more than Pliny the Elder, and that seems OK by me.
     
  12. KOP_Beer_OUtlet

    KOP_Beer_OUtlet Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Check out the big brain on Brad...nicely done sir
     
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  13. elkabong

    elkabong Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2014 Wisconsin

    yes

    /thread
     
  14. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Is "/thread" purely subjective?
     
  15. RoadLizard

    RoadLizard Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2008 New York

    I would say yes. It's like art, music, movies, etc. there may be some guidelines or flavor characteristics that certian styles of beer should exhibit but overall you either like a beer or dislike a beer. Pretty subjective, IMO.

    If it wasn't subjective then NO ONE would touch a Budweiser or a LaBatts. :wink:
     
  16. DrStiffington

    DrStiffington Grand Pooh-Bah (3,740) Oct 27, 2010 New Jersey
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    Yes. My wife hates Belgian beer. I love it.
     
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  17. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    Indeed!

    We are reporters of our own biases...
     
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  18. _-_-Jason-_-_

    _-_-Jason-_-_ Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2014 New York

    I have to agree with this... The imperial stout is a far better beer in my opinion, one of my favorites. In fact, I buy a 4-pack of FBS every now and then to see if maybe I'm missing something about it. I just don't get why it's rated so high. Oh well, to each their own I guess.
     
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  19. UrbanCaveman

    UrbanCaveman Pooh-Bah (1,866) Sep 30, 2014 Ohio
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    One can go about tasting beer as objectively as they can, aware that they will have biases and other personal quirks, and attempting to be as rational as possible when drinking a beer.

    Alternatively, one can just relax and enjoy some beer, while avoiding beers they don't like. After all, not every bias or quirk can be overcome or reduced.
     
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  20. Maltanator

    Maltanator Aspirant (223) Apr 11, 2014 New York

    The act of tasting is, obviously, something that starts with a the person drinking the beer (and is therefore subjective), but it’s also something that, as @JackHorzempa pointed out with his reposting of @Ranbot , is influenced by all sorts of external factors before we even start drinking the beer. (Thanks for posting that! :slight_smile:)

    I fully agree with everyone who has emphasized the importance of blind tasting, but I’m also wondering just how much our tastes are “pre-dialed” to prefer certain beers, even in blind tastings. It seems to me that less intense well-made beers will usually “lose out” in this scenario, even if put up against a mediocre hop bomb.
     
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