Cellaring for 20 yrs+

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by BrownBottle, Feb 8, 2015.

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  1. BrownBottle

    BrownBottle Zealot (535) Nov 19, 2014 Maryland

    I see all sorts of information on how to correctly cellar your beers but I have a few questions regarding long term storage. For you guys/gals that have beer you intend on storing long term (say.. two decades or longer), is there certain precautions you take? Do you clean the exterior with a solution before cellaring them? I'd like to hear them.

    Also, I've been reading about cork bottled beers. Been through the whole horizontal and vertical storage thing and I've chosen vertical. My understanding is that the inside portion of the cork (that's in contact with the beer) obviously won't dry out. But is it necessary to apply some sort of an aide for the outside portion (assuming the cork is non synthetic and 100% natural)? I use UB-40 on my cork gripped fishing rods and it's a synthetic liquid that fills those small pores.. perhaps this can keep in some moisture. I'm also looking at natural beeswax that I use on my cutting boards. Or hell, am I just being all too careful here? lol
     
  2. BrownBottle

    BrownBottle Zealot (535) Nov 19, 2014 Maryland

    Oh yea, of course it needs to be a big beer to hold up in the long run :slight_smile:
     
  3. RDMII

    RDMII Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    UB40 on a cork? They're a great band but I doubt they're down for that kind of treatment.

    WD40 maybe, but I wouldn't use any kind of solvent on anything that's coming into contact with beer. Long term seepage through the cork would ruin the beer immediately. Since you're storing it vertical there should be zero contact with the cork anyway, but even a little solvent would destroy the beer and possibly be harmful to you.
     
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  4. BrownBottle

    BrownBottle Zealot (535) Nov 19, 2014 Maryland

    Oops! I need to clarify a couple things. I Meant U-40, it's a sealant made for corks lol. Also, the inside of the beer would have some humidity so although the lower portion of the cork is never directly in contact with it, it retains some moisture.
     
  5. RDMII

    RDMII Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    Better. And true, the humidity in the bottle will keep it somewhat moist, but even Scotch experts recommend tilting the bottles once in a while to 'wet' the cork. Beer is no different.
     
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  6. allforbetterbeer

    allforbetterbeer Savant (1,236) Sep 26, 2009 Colorado

    Read Patrick Dawson's book "Vintage Beer". Far more thorough and researched than 95% of the anecdotal advice to found here (not slamming this forum, but I doubt that anybody posting in this forum knows as much or can say it as clearly as that book when it comes to aging beer).

    -edit: I bet a 750 mL Samichlaus would be a good bet for holding up past 20 years and tasting good.
     
  7. BrownBottle

    BrownBottle Zealot (535) Nov 19, 2014 Maryland

    Appreciate it!
     
  8. allforbetterbeer

    allforbetterbeer Savant (1,236) Sep 26, 2009 Colorado

    I thought I was getting pretty "aged beer savvy" until I read that book. Turns out I had a lot to learn. I just didn't know what I didn't know, and it has opened up the world of how to really age beer so that everything in the cellar is actually improving. Compared to my haphazard guesswork (which was still kind of fun), my outlook now is much more informed. And I think in 3-6 years I am going to have a bunch of very tasty beers, instead of stuff which is all over the map (and much of it being too old) like I do now.
     
  9. jstout26

    jstout26 Pundit (796) May 30, 2013 New Hampshire
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    I don't believe many corked beers actually have beer that come in contact with the cork inside the bottle while standing upright. Most are filled lower than the bottom of the cork. Also, in "Vintage Beer", Mr. Dawson talks about "ullage" which is a loss of liquid due to evaporation. Over an extended period of time, such as a couple decades, you'll most certainly experience this with beers and then there'd be even less of a chance that there will be beer touching the cork to keep it wet.
     
  10. JasonLovesBeer

    JasonLovesBeer Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2013 Canada (BC)

    I believe, with all my heart, that the best way to cellar a beer is by placing it in the right environment* as a dry bottle and leaving it to naturally collect dust until drinking time. If you can completely avoid touching it for any reason, that's the best.

    * Environment should be 50 - 65F and humidity somewhere between 50% and 90%
     
  11. youradhere

    youradhere Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2008 Washington

    I wax my bottles with Brewers wax, you can order some on Amazon or any homebrew shop/online store. This is what breweries/wineries use and works perfectly for caps and corks alike. I would imagine beeswax would work too, but my feelings are that it would lack the viscosity that Brewers wax has for getting a good "one dip" coating. Just get an empty can, preferably vegetables (to avoid oil/grease from say, chili etc), and put the wax in that, then fill a small saucepan with water and use that as a double boiler for the can of wax. It takes a while to melt the wax, and usually my waxing days take a few hours so I do 20 or so bottles at a time.

    But then again there is more that one way to skin a cat, or wax a bottle!
     
  12. hooliganlife

    hooliganlife Pooh-Bah (1,759) Apr 12, 2007 Missouri
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    here is my review of a 20+ year old bottle

    1987 bottle, from original eggenberg castle brewery.

    Pour was a slight mahogany brown, light cola. Little head.

    Sweet nose, dark fruit. Some alcohol.

    Very similar to nose, although less alcohol. Sweet dark fruit and roasted malt. Back end was complete soy sauce. Like sushi dipping.
     
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  13. mattosgood

    mattosgood Initiate (0) Jan 13, 2014 Massachusetts

    Taking a chance with this one: Avery's The Beast Grand Cru. Website says 10+ years. On the bottle, it says "August, 2014" (which is the month and year in which my daughter Avery was born). Hoping to open it on her 21st birthday. Call me a softie, I guess, but I got all the ageable, cellarable Avery beers to open on various birthdays.
     
  14. BrownBottle

    BrownBottle Zealot (535) Nov 19, 2014 Maryland

    Thanks for the advice. I wax most of my bottles too. Whether it actually helps or not (wax is permeable), it was a fun project. Definitely was time consuming.

    I'll have to check these out. Something about waiting longer makes it that much special in the long run (whereas some beers need only months to reach peak flavor).

    Taking a shot here.. just got my hands on an Anchorage: A deal with the devil. Anyone have recommendations on aging this one? I know they were just released in 2013 but seeing as it's a 17.30% ABV barleywine I imagine it'll do fine but then again, what makes it special is that it was aged in Cognac barrels for 11 months.. that would certainly disappear with long term aging?
     
  15. youradhere

    youradhere Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2008 Washington

    Do you want heavy cognac or a balanced beer? If the former then drink now, if the latter then age as long as you want . Having never had it I cannot attest to the unfermentable sugar levels and how those will do with time. I know DFH 120 is great like a bwine after 5 years, I would think a similar beer would be looking at a similar or longer window.
     
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  16. Jwale73

    Jwale73 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Aug 15, 2007 Rhode Island
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    Just ordered a copy yesterday. Looking forward to reading it.
     
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  17. BUICKBILL

    BUICKBILL Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2015 New York

    Most readers have probably only been on the earth for little more than 20 years.....
     
  18. BrownBottle

    BrownBottle Zealot (535) Nov 19, 2014 Maryland

    What's personal age got anything to do with aging beer or anything you quoted from allforbetterbeer?
     
  19. hooliganlife

    hooliganlife Pooh-Bah (1,759) Apr 12, 2007 Missouri
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    only beer i have ever had that was over 10 years old and still actually good has been gueuze/lambic

    nothing else has even come close to going the distance. i did have other vintages of Samichlaus that were younger that were good, like 10-15 years old maybe? i forget.
     
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