Beer Event Etiquette ...

A dude who was behind us in line outside spoke over my girlfriend at the bar during a Zwanze Day event and wound up getting the last 2 bottles of Lou Pepe Kriek and Iris. Not to sound so extreme but, I hope he died in a car accident on the way home.

 

So the question you are asking is
"Is it OK to walk in front of a bunch of people I don't know so that I can get my beer before they do?"

Of course it is. I am sure they will all agree that your time is more valuable than theirs.

 

I am still baffled that someone actually asked the question in the first place.

This is pre-man 101 stuff.

This is kindergarten sh**.

 

Only read the first page, so if this was already brought up whatever, but I feel it is slightly a different look on it.

The question is pretty much the same as possibly an amusement park line. I have never done, nor have been in a party that has "line cut." That said, I do no get upset if someone further back in line holds a spot for a few friends. I understand they could have been doing something else, maybe going to the bathroom, maybe getting a drink, who really cares why. As long as I have not been waiting too long in the line, what is the big deal. But if they are damn near the front of the line and someone is trying to go from the back, and go to the front, I have stopped people, complained and had them sent to the back. It is just a limit thing for me.

I did similar for my wife last year. She had to go to the bathroom, I wanted a beer. I got in line, but there were only 5-6 people behind me, 30 or so in front. She came back, I explained the situation, no one had a problem.

I guess all I am saying is that it is case by case.

 

There are lines for a reason. Only thing that drives me more crazy is the guy who drives up in the right turn only lane then tries to cut back in.

 

ISO: BeerAdvocate fez

FT: my dignity

 

Pretty sure no one is talking about folks who arrive together and one needs a restroom break.

Funny thing is restroom breaks were one of the main ways scammers cut the line at the old Captain Lawrence. Folks would use the indoor bathroom, and since it was so busy they found ways to cut the line after it had entered the building and their tickets were less likely to be examined closely. I saw folks way behind me in line going in to use the bathroom and then come out with bottles.

Here is the main point: If you cut the line you suck. You not only represent what is wrong with the beer world, but what is wrong with the world in general, which is folks who act immorally, and rationalize their own bad behavior by an exercise of lying to themselves, and convince others that it's raining when they are pissing on their legs.

 

The really cool thing to do would be to have your friends join you at the end of the line.

 

Why of course you are allowed to remain skeptical. Don't recollect anyone saying you were not.

Its just that I find claiming agreement with someone along with a caveat about remaining skeptical a bit confusing. Especially when it doesn't address the major point I was looking to bring into the discussion (i.e., starting from an erroneous assumption) in my first post to which you first replied.

But more importantly, I'm not really finding in earlier comments where you've made a resolution the issue I was addressing with the point of my first post, i.e., that you were making the assumption that someone had endorsed nepotism as being acceptable behavior. If I've missed it, my apologies and I'd be appreciative if you could take the time to provide a pointer to which post that might be. Thanks.

As for the hiring patterns data I regret that I'm unable at this time to send you a pointer since the research team doing the literature review have not yet gone to publication with that data meta-analysis. (However, I've put on my to do list a note to send a link after that happens.) Also, if you could, I would be happy have a link to be able to see your data sources on Nepotism in Germany and France so that I can alert that particular team of researchers if they haven't yet found them or paid sufficient attention to cross-cultural differences in such patterns. We could well be looking here at a potential definitional issue that can be critical in interpretation of results.

BTW: Welcome to the site! It’s a great source of information about beer, at least in the US, and as you have seen can lead to some really interesting discussions on both beer and beer-related topics arising from thinking about beer and the factors that have shaped both its history and its current forms.

 

What if you are waiting in line for a ticket?

 

Sometimes it just appears that whenever someone says 'skeptical' or that they subscribe to 'skepticism' that some people will generally assume that it means you favor one particular position. If that is not the case, that question be disregarded.

Okay, to clarify: I am skeptical to which degree the premise as it was given is prevalent in reality since - as I noted - I have no data on that and I'm very uncomfortable making generalizations on an entire country - or state - for that matter without any data.

I didn't really imply to say anyone here was actively endorsing nepotism, systematic discrimination or any other type of 'favoritism' that would run counter to meritocratic principles. I was aiming to imply that if there were in fact such practices, passively not bothering would be similar to support. Stupid example: If you were working for Hobby Lobby and had no issue with the fact that they can make HR decisions based on religious faith.

That's fine, I'd be glad to read it once it's done.

I wasn't specifically referring to nepotism on the data, more generally to any kind of 'favoritism' as outlined above - be it racism, neoptism, discriminatory tendencies or anything alike. Here would be one of the examples regarding France. Here and here are two regarding the U.K. Another one. Here is something - unfortunately in German - regarding discrimination of muslims in the job market. This is regarding sexism and sexual harassment in the workplace. Both of those are from governmental departments. Here is a comprehensive German report regarding discrimination in the work place and education. Here is a general commentary on sexism with sources (again, in German). Report on discrimination/racism on the European job market. Another European report. Another European report. And another European report.

That's all I've got for now. As you you probably know yourself, sometimes it's hard to find super specific sources for - particularly when it comes to narrow definitions. Germany has been somewhat spotty in particular fields, e.g. research in the justice department - particularly compared to the U.K. and U.S. Plus I gotta resume work on my term paper.

Thanks, haha. If everyone (or more people) was (or were) as civil as this regarding debates there would be a lot less animosity in the world.

Edit: Sorry if the formatting is off on some of these. I'm slightly dizzy right now.

 

I'd like to officially announce that I'm founding jobadvocate

 

That sums it up. If you have to ask, you're wrong.

 

Cutting = Selfish

 

i would go to the where my friend was too.. but then again I am a dick. I am also 6'5 300 lbs so people tend not to comment too much

 

^ So really, you're a giant dick.

 

What I find very odd is this seemingly newly adopted rule at beer releases in the Northeast:

If you see your friends in line and want to jump in with them, you simply have to ask permission to cut in front of the individual directly behind them.

Maybe it's just to clear you conscience, but it's very odd. I've witnessed this on multiple occasions.

 

So, you cool with line cutting as long as it's behind you. Excellent. The case by case thing is really only about the level of assholeness. Deciding to cut is a 100% black and white asshole move. Whether you're jumping in front of 1 person or 100, it's still a dick move.

 

Dude get with the program. If you are cutting and all of the following criteria are met, it is not a dick move:

1. The line is less than 100 people
2. You are not cutting into the front 10%
3. You only have one mule with you
4. The bottle release is over 500 bottles

Edit - forgot the fifth rule:

5. You love this particular brewery

 

Until you cut in front of the 5"6 160 lb MMA fighter with a Napoleonic complex that breaks your nose.