Bad trader @hoyalwaya

Discussion in 'Bad Traders' started by Moses_Malone, Feb 26, 2015.

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  1. Moses_Malone

    Moses_Malone Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2013 District of Columbia

    I really hoped to never have to create one of these, but unfortunately @Hoyalawya is a beer thief and needs to be called out.
    I met him at a bar and had a few beers with him last May, and he came across as someone very enthusiastic about beer and a really solid guy. He was moving out to SoCal, and we mutually agreed to do a beer trade at some point. We stayed in touch and decided to do a trade in November (it was the first ever trade for both of us). This trade was perfectly smooth; he sent me a great box even though we had agreed to only send shelf stuff. Then he texted me around Christmas that he had just picked up several bottles from Beachwood and was going to Russian River, Alpine, and Societe and wanted to do another trade. He specifically said he was sending Nelson and Blind Pig; the rest I was willing to leave up to him because he appeared to be quite generous. I knew if he was sending Nelson and Russian River, I'd have to up the ante on my side as well. We agreed to ship right after New Year. He sent me pictures of Beachwood bottles and a box with an Alpine logo and said I was going to love the stuff. As I look back on it now, he was laying it on thick and probably roping me in.
    I texted him on Jan. 2 that I had just dropped off his box (I sent 12 bottles, several of which had been picked up at breweries by me or friends doing me a favor). He responded, "Awesome man! Good timing as I'm just about to drop off your package too! Can't wait!"
    5 days later, the box I sent arrived at his door. I still had not received a tracking number or any further communication since the above quote. I texted him that day to let him know the box arrived, hoping he would be reminded that he still had to ship/give me a tracking number. His response was, "Oh my! I can't wait to get home!' Since this message, I have not received any communication from him in 2 months. I've emailed, called, texted, pm'd. He's completely ignoring me. I know he has not dropped off the face of the earth because he has rated some of the beers I sent him on a certain mobile app that I won't name. He actually rated some beers yesterday. He also continues to log-in to this site several times a week.
    I totally trusted this guy. After the first box he sent, I thought we had the potential to not only be trading partners, but good friends. Instead, it appears that he long-conned me into sending 12 of my best beers to his doorstep for nothing. He does not even have the courage to say, "Yeah, i stole your beers. Screw you." Instead he's just ignoring me, expecting me to lose interest.
    This trade was not created on BA, and I know it's generally not okay to post threads like these outside of the feedback system. However, I feel I need to alert all of you in this community that there is a guy who is pretending to care about craft beer, coming on this site often and hanging out at Beachwood and other well-known Socal bars. This guy is a con man.
     
  2. kmello69

    kmello69 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2011 Texas

    This really sucks to hear.

    And sadly, he has almost no presence on this site (0 trades and 3 posts) so I don't think being banned will be a big deal for him.

    Maybe he'll see this and respond, but it doesn't seem likely. The scumbag quotient seems to have been raised by 1
     
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  3. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    It may not be a big deal to ban him for him personally, but it does take away a resource for him not be able to do it to others. Or for him to use the site for everything else it has to offer besides trading beer.
     
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  4. Chris_H_2

    Chris_H_2 Pundit (995) Jan 3, 2013 Illinois
    Trader

    That sucks. Sorry.

    Curious, but what did you send him?
     
  5. Jaycase

    Jaycase Grand Pooh-Bah (3,858) Jan 13, 2007 Illinois
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Except when he then creates another account, unfortunately, and the cycle repeats.
     
  6. F2brewers

    F2brewers Maven (1,432) Mar 12, 2005 Massachusetts
    Society Trader

    @Hoyalawya

    What's your story?

    He's not been on since Sunday, but we'll keep an eye on this.
     
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  7. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    There should be a special place in hell for people like this.
     
  8. PA-Michigander

    PA-Michigander Grand Pooh-Bah (3,372) Nov 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I know you said the trade wasn't done through BA but as you knew he had an account here why not set it up through here to make it official? Yea he probably would have done the same thing but I don't understand how people continue to not use the trade feedback system after numerous bad trader threads.

    That all being said hopefully the guy comes through for you.
     
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  9. kmello69

    kmello69 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2011 Texas

    Oh I agree, and still think he should be banned. He just doesn't seem to have a presence here.

    OP, does he belong to any other beer groups on Fb or anywhere else where he has a stronger presence, and have you shared this story there as well? Need to get the word out everywhere these guys trade
     
  10. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Assuming the information is available, and assuming he never responds, this seems like the perfect candidate to take to the next level. If ever anyone deserved to have some of their personal information posted on BA, it would appear to be this guy.

    @Todd What do you think?
     
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  11. Moses_Malone

    Moses_Malone Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2013 District of Columbia

    @PA-Michigander, I'm regretting not going through BA and feedback now, but like I said at the time this guy was basically a friend who had already come through once before. Live and learn.

    @kmello69 He has a facebook account, linkedin account and a youtube video of him doing some sort of sky diving. All using his real name. I don't want to put any personal stuff out despite what a melvin he is. I also don't use non-beer related social media so I cannot troll him there.
     
  12. Moses_Malone

    Moses_Malone Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2013 District of Columbia

    Followup to that: PM me if you want to know who he is.
     
  13. ColdOne

    ColdOne Maven (1,346) Jan 19, 2013 New York
    Trader

    Wow. That totally sucks. I want to know what goes through people's minds sometimes. Or maybe not.
     
  14. wheelzntoys

    wheelzntoys Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2013 California

    @Hoyalawya

    You frequent a bunch of SoCal local BA spots. Don't let it get to the next level and man up.

    You still have an opportunity to avoid this.
     
  15. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    He hasn't been on site for a week, anyone know him or someone who knows him and can have an in person talk with him?
     
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  16. wheelzntoys

    wheelzntoys Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2013 California

    I don't know him, but reading his past posts he is all over in my area.

    If mods approve for me receive contact info or name and I can see what I can do.
     
  17. wheelzntoys

    wheelzntoys Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2013 California

    OP: I can send you Nelson and other San Diego locals. No need to send anything back, one thing I noticed is there is a great camaraderie found here.
     
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  18. Moses_Malone

    Moses_Malone Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2013 District of Columbia

    @wheelzntoys That's extremely kind of you. I would not accept anything for free and would insist on sending you a box in return.
    Posters on this thread remind me what a supportive community we have here. It's unfortunate that a few predatory scumbags try to exploit our generosity, but I still want to trust every BA and continue to share great beer.
     
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  19. jmarsh123

    jmarsh123 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2010 Indiana
    Trader

    What a scumbag. Maybe he's too young to know who Moses Malone is. I wouldn't want to fuck with that dude. He's big.
     
  20. blue-dream

    blue-dream Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2013 Virgin Islands (U.S.)

    @Hoyalawya you were on at 1:05pm today, why didnt you come to tell your side.
     
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