Unsolicited "value of your ISO/FT" feedback

Amen!

 

I almost completely disagree. This has been talked about a fair amount, but I think for the most part it's not trolling, people are actually trying to be helpful. I also disagree with people who say that you should "take it to PM", because everyone wants to know what beers are worth, and having more trading threads with comments is better for people searching IMO. It's an outlandish example, but if you just started getting into trading and posted FT: KBBS ISO: 4-pack heady, wouldn't you want someone to give you a heads up you're a bit off and about to get 4,000 pm's from people trying to take advantage of you? I don't see the downside at all. If the people saying "you're off" are wrong, then you'll still get the trade done! Everyone comes here to post "What is X beer worth" (which is no longer allowed I believe). Well, having people comment adds data points and information to what a beer is worth when searching for past threads about a beer, and will better allow you to determine value. Not trying to be argumentative, just my opinion on it. I know the opinions on this matter are fairly strong...

 

Amen!

 

I think a lot of it depends on how you say it. If you just say "you're off" without any explanation then I think you are a douche. If you explain why and try and be helpful then you are not a douche. A lot of people also think they know what they are talking about and they don't. Explanations make it easier to determine if they have a clue or not.

 

My question is... Why can't someone just post what they have for what they want? If someone's willing to part with KBBS for Heady, that's their prerogative. I think this is referring more to those that seem to be downright making fun of the OP, rather than trying to be helpful. I don't even post my own threads anymore for fear that I'd get laughed out of the forum simply because I don't know what "value" is arbitrarily assigned to some beers.

 

Most of the people chiming in are typically trying to protect the value of their beers. Usually the "going to have to add" comes from people who usually have the beer. If they are off, they should get crickets.

 

Well, it keeps the riffraff down.

 

Didn't we just have a LENGTHY conversation about this?

 

I'll comment on people's ISO:FT, and while it sometimes comes across as snarky I'm really trying to be helpful. I expect others to comment on my posts as well so its not like I'm the kind of person who can give it but not take it

 

I try and make positive comments only, I'm not trying to bag a guys trade. If I think it's out of bounds i pass it by, I figure the crickes youll get tell you that . I've sent plenty of Bms to guys on their ISO if I can help, such as giving them on line options to their request without losing their stash.

 

this is the essence of what we *want* comments to contain.

criticism of an ISO is fine, but be constructive and thoughtful.

remember there are codgy old bastards here (like me) who have seen this all a thousand times and there are (more and more) new traders who are just starting out. we should be proactive and helpful...not nasty and disrespectful. there are plenty of other sites on the web where you can do just that.

the more people learn the *right* way to trade, the more it benefits the community as a whole. we're *all* better each time a trade goes through and both sides are happy.

anyone can bitch and moan...but the person who takes the added step to explain *why* they feel a certain way and\or provide an alternative trade scenario is someone i'm far more inclined to trade with at some future date. yeah, yeah, i'm the wurst ever and some of you hate me and my meddling ("i'd have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that damn meddling mod!"), but take a step back once in a while.

comments you make in one iso can come back to bite you later. sure, you may "win" one or two trades, but at what cost?

be mindful of others and you'll likely be more successful here in the long run.

 

I like to think that most of the comments on here are good natured and meant to be helpfull, but that's not always the case. I can't count the number of times I've been told (either in the thread or via PM) that I'm low-balling or that I could get so much more for what I'm offering. I take it for what it is. If the right person sees the offer, whether others feel it's a good offer or not, it'll get done. And as long as both sides of the trade are happy, that's all that matters.

 

Agree with a lot of what's been said here. I personally appreciate the comments when I'm posting a trade. With so many trades happening in private conversations it makes it hard to know what is fair at times. I also love to see when people post what they ended up trading for--for example: "closed, ended up going 1:1 with a small plus being X". At the end of the day, I want a fair trade on both sides. There is definitely a fine line though with commenting--don't be a dick about it.

 

I would also suggest posting a thread on a week night. You're a lot less likely to get drunken beer snob comments. Bros just had a whale share and feels the need to threadshit all over the forums. This weekend seems to have been particularly bad.

 

You can't speak for the person who posted the ad. Some prefer some feedback, some don't. It's best to communicate that. The nature of a public forum is that you WILL get comments from the public by default. If you don't want comments on your ad, politely request that all comments to be discussed in PM.

I always tried to provide reasoned out helpful feedback, but that seems to bother some people, too, even though most of the time the OPs find the comments helpful. I do agree that one-liners are unhelpful, but most traders DO want to see trades happen.

 

When you internets these things happen. Best not to get too worked up about it. My personal favorite is when regional BAs comment on each others ISOs in order to increase demand of a beer. Always a good laugh

 

Personally, I think you can tell by the general tone of the input what the intent is. There are some very helpful people on this board who are really trying to guide newer traders with a nudge in the right direction. Then there are the people who offer no real insight at all, as described above.

I sometimes think these people are trying to maintain what can be a perceived "value" or inflate the trade value of a given beer. Sometimes it is the opposite and they are trying to talk down the trade value of a given beer. I think many times they have or want a given beer and they are trying to influence that beer's perceived value as they negotiate trades for themselves.

 

The "value" of a beer is all relative, and only worth what the person is willing to give up to trade for it. Just like the "worth" of a home is only the amount that the next buyer is willing to pay for it. If I really want a bottle of CBS, and am willing to trade a KBBS or BVDL to get it, who are others to say that CBS is not worth that amount when, to me, it is?

The example used above is an extreme example, and an outlier. The problem is when someone posts a FT: with a list of beers that may not be far off to get a trade done, and someone chimes in and says "you're asking too much" (or something to that effect). While some people here may chalk it up as being helpful, how helpful is it really if, without reading a comment like that, some trader was willing to give up what the original trade post was asking for, only to move on after reading the other people's posts?

 

Helpful is in the eye of the beholder and very few of us are mind readers. If you don't want any comments in your ISO:FT thread, just say so when you post it.