Limited release beers

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  1. antman27

    antman27 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2013 New York

    Ok so we all have our fav limited release beers ( like hopslam that i was driving all over long island few weeks ago to score a few to see what all the buzz was about )
    But like DFH120 Bells Hopslam Founders Devils dancer
    Why are they limited ?? IF they are so in demand why not brew more of them and make them more available ? So we appreciate them more when we can get them ?
    Just a thought !!
     
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  2. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    They are time, labor, and equipment usage intensive to produce.

    A brewery also needs to be able to put out flagship beers that will move through the brewery and off the shelves relatively quickly.

    In other words, cash flow is necessary to running a business.

    Even those who buy them, say DFH120 at $10 a bottle, are not going to drink enough of them as a regular thing to support the brewery and the employees.

    Also, if that's all you brew and a batch goes bad on you and has to be dumped, what do you have as a back up to sell in its place if all your equipment has been tied up brewing that special release.
     
  3. FaradayUncaged

    FaradayUncaged Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2014 Michigan

    High demand, low supply = higher price. I'm sure they could produce more, even if some of the limited release require more time/effort/resources, but why not take advantage when they can?
     
  4. bluehende

    bluehende Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2010 Delaware

    The other two posts above hit it right on. I will add a third. Traditional seasonality.
     
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  5. Vivs85

    Vivs85 Savant (1,066) Nov 29, 2012 New York
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    I have a forth thought and would like to hear what others think- does anyone feel it has anything to do with quality control as well? I always felt and thought things were better when there were fewer cases produced- easier to control the quality if a beer when it's not a mass quantity, also less likely for mistakes/contamination? Thoughts?
     
  6. BUICKBILL

    BUICKBILL Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2015 New York

    They release them like that to whet our appetites for more of the good stuff
     
  7. StartedwithSAM

    StartedwithSAM Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2015 Virginia

    This was always my thinking as well, of course I'm not a home brewer (yet). I simply thought the less the brewers are rushed to produce, package and distribute the lower the mistakes and higher the quality.
     
  8. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    If a brewery could make more money by ceasing production of their entire line-up, and solely producing an 18% ABV DIPA year-round, then I'm sure they would. Thankfully DFH haven't done that.

    Also just pre-empting this - expansion costs money and typically means large amounts of additional debt - I can see why somebody may not want to do this either.
     
  9. Johntomk

    Johntomk Zealot (678) Jul 22, 2014 Tennessee
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    I completely understand it isn't financially feasible to produce certain limited release beers, but there is one thing I do not understood. I don't understand why some breweries will brew a beer that is only meant for a one time release and when it is a huge hit they never brew more, yet their regular beers are average, at best. Im talking about one time beers that are pretty normal beers as far as difficulty and cost to brew goes. It seems like some smaller breweries become stubborn and try to force average beers into their lineup for what I can only assume are emotional/sentimental reasons. I'm sure it's difficult to drop a beer from your lineup and replace it with a new one when that beer may have been one of your first, but it seems like a bad business decision when your brewery is considered pretty average.
     
  10. keithmurray

    keithmurray Pooh-Bah (2,967) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut
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    See: Troegs Nugget Nectar. No reason they couldn't brew that one year round, but it would take away from the allure and most likely, the profitability
     
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  11. jlsims04

    jlsims04 Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2013 Illinois

    Cost of producing the product is the biggest issue. For expample when we went on the tour at Perennial they were talking about brewing the base for Sump and Abraxas; they pack their brew kettle so full it is not only more expensive than any other beer to brew but also doesnt allow them to brew multiple batches per day. (if i remember correctly they boil it for like 10 hours)
     
  12. jlsims04

    jlsims04 Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2013 Illinois

    This I also do not understand. I get when a seasonal or once a year release stays just that. BUT When you are mediocre and you have a one hit wonder you need to capitalize.
     
  13. bluehende

    bluehende Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2010 Delaware

    My thoughts on this is that what we at BA consider a huge hit may be a lot different that what the brewery defines as a big hit. I would hope they have sales data behind any decision to produce a flagship other than 1 offs. The only reason I can come up with for a brewery to force a flagship that is not selling is that they have decided they cannot survive without one. I know that paradigm is rampant in the industry. Now whether your flagship can be a BA stout has probably never been tested.
     
  14. chicagogooner

    chicagogooner Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2014 Illinois

    We have a few of these in Illinois, IMO.
     
  15. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Any examples that come to mind?

    Bear in mind that I, as a beer nerd, may greatly prefer the special Goose Island Juniper and Hyacinth one-off wheat ale, but they probably make a ton more money from selling 312 urban wheat to the "normal" consumer
     
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  16. anth0ny

    anth0ny Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2012 Michigan

    Most limited beers also require a more ingredients (double, imperial, etc) and more expensive ingredients, and more time (which was already mentioned). Founders does not make their money on KBS. Founders has used KBS to make them an icon in the craft beer market, which then sends customers to buy flagship products, which are the beers that they actually make their money on.
     
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  17. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    There are exceptions to every rule, but I'm of the opinion that if very many brewers constrained supply in order to limit demand and drive prices, we'd see much higher prices across the board. For the most part, prices on limited release beers continue to be depressed compared to what the market could likely bear.
     
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  18. fredmugs

    fredmugs Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2012 Indiana

    Agreed. Pretty sure beers like BCBS and KBS come out when they do because they want the barrels doing their thing over the temperature fluctuations that occur over a 10 - 12 month period.
     
  19. TurkeyFeathers

    TurkeyFeathers Initiate (0) Jun 22, 2014 New York

    Marketing , we bite , we search , we pay $$
     
  20. Johntomk

    Johntomk Zealot (678) Jul 22, 2014 Tennessee
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    My argument is more geared toward much smaller local breweries. I'd rather not call them out. I understand what you are saying with beers like juniper, but I see it with basic examples of styles like an ipa and others. I know it's an entirely different argument, but instead of trying to brew EVERY style possible why not try to increase the quality of your basic lineup? I'd much rather go to a brewery with a very good flagship line than one with a really good barrel aged stout and average flagships.
     
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