Coffee Beer Popularity

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by AugustusRex, Mar 23, 2015.

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  1. AugustusRex

    AugustusRex Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Canada (ON)

    Three of the top ten beers are coffee stouts. As a coffee lover I do not understand how these beers are popular among a beer drinking subculture with good taste.

    Roasted whole coffee beans begin to go stale around 7-9 days after roasting. Ground beans go stale within an hour. Brewed coffee goes stale after 5-20 mins. The coffee flavour in these stouts is stale, over-roasted, bitter and one-dimensional. How are these stouts so popular? It tastes like McDonalds/Starbucks quality coffee is dumped in a world class stout.

    I roast my own coffee and drink a variety of coffee styles, drip coffee, french press, syphon, espresso, moka pot, turkish coffee. I love coffee more than beer. In the coffee world, dark roasted coffee is looked at like well done steak. Roast level should be minimal and work only to counter acidity of the green bean.
     
  2. RBassSFHOPit2ME

    RBassSFHOPit2ME Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2009 California

    Agreed. As I do find BCBCS very good, the coffee overwhelmes everything else that's involved in that beer. Only one man's opinion. Give me the original, or the Barleywine over BCBCS all day.

    However, Speedway Stout IMHO brings everything together in perfect, equal balance. My exception to your rule stated above.
     
  3. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    OP, I am glad you started this. I love beer and love coffee but I consider myself far from understanding either well. At least with beer I've had the benefit of reading plenty of books to enlighten me. Just yesterday I went to the Southwest Chocolate and Coffee Festival here in Albuquerque and it got me thinking why the coffee I sampled at almost every stand was head and shoulders above what I can brew at home. It got me wanting to learn more about coffee and how I can get a better brew at home.

    Long story short, what literature would you suggest to educate one on the coffee world? Also, is there any literature out there discussing coffee and beer in combination? Dissecting the different coffee beers with respect to the taste of the coffee specifically?
     
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  4. TaylorRB817

    TaylorRB817 Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2012 California

    To add to your point, it is actually 5 of the top 10.

    However, I think the coffee, even if it is one-dimensional, adds a new dimension to the beers, which improves the overall experience.

    If you think about an imperial stout, why do you drink it instead of a dry stout, or a brown ale, or a barley wine? It is because you are looking for multiple layers and particularly intense flavorful and roasted layers. That is not to say the former styles are one-dimensional, but the point remains the same, coffee in a beer, even if it does not do coffee justice, can improve a beers overall flavor profile by adding an additional element.
     
  5. AugustusRex

    AugustusRex Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Canada (ON)

    There is no 'Beer Advocate' of the coffee world, and I haven't found many helpful guides on coffee, but although I am only 24, I have been serious into coffee for about 7 years how, roasting for 4 and I have picked up some info here and there.

    This site has some easy quick info, it IS a commercial site so I am NOT promoting their products, but they have some good general information about coffee roast profiles, origins, brewing:
    https://www.sweetmarias.com/

    Here is the best non-espresso coffee maker:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_coffee_maker I have a model made by Bodum ($80), I prefer this to French Press or Moka coffee.

    These girls know their stuff. That manual espresso machine is top in the world ($1500-$2000).
     
  6. MightyTrustKrusher

    MightyTrustKrusher Devotee (387) Nov 5, 2014 Pennsylvania

    I guess it's a good thing that I'm just a beer snob and not a coffee snob. I love me some coffee stouts.
     
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  7. RoyBurks

    RoyBurks Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2015 Virginia

    I'm not a Starr Hill fan but I REALLY enjoy their Red Roostarr. The coffee is made fresh in a small hippie town in VA called Floyd. Let me know if anyone would like some for trade. I go to school about 20 minutes away from Floyd. VERY FRESH.
     
  8. JasonHaviland

    JasonHaviland Zealot (742) Feb 19, 2013 New Hampshire
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    I love coffee stout. BCBCS and Tree House Good Morning are both mind blowing experiences...the only two I've given a perfect 5 to...
     
  9. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I like BCBCS just fine, as well as KBS. It's an adjunct, not a pure freshly ground cup of coffee, for large mass produced beer in quantity not sure what you expect them to do. The fact that so many coffee infused brews are rated so highly kinda counters your question. It's very popular because people like them, period. Coffee is only a small piece here, as is the bourbon component, as Is the base beer. You might love pure fresh roasted and ground coffee, but that's so far removed from comercially brewed and distributed beers.
     
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  10. Highbrow

    Highbrow Pooh-Bah (1,770) Jan 7, 2011 California
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    so the cliff notes is everybody that likes coffee beers & rated them so highly are all mistaken.
     
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  11. HopBackGorilla

    HopBackGorilla Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2015 New York

    To most, I dont think most people are or would perceive the coffee in their beer as stale. Most probably don't have that deep of a understanding of coffee.

    The flavanoids found in coffee compliment the flavor profiles found in beer. They lend a hand in the bitterness units profile.

    I have found certain beers I love the coffee in and some I just didn't like. It's just depends. I love coffee in beer and coffee on its own merits.
     
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  12. AugustusRex

    AugustusRex Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Canada (ON)

    I like some coffee beers, Victory at Sea, Speedway, Peche Mortel, etc. They taste interesting but I get an overwhelming staleness from them. It might not make the beer a write off, but there are some gnarly tastes in there.
     
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  13. RBassSFHOPit2ME

    RBassSFHOPit2ME Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2009 California

    A Speedway with 2 years on it becomes a thing of pure beauty. Although I sure love a fresh bottle too...

    Most interesting thread I've seen in a while. Thank you
     
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  14. grapesandgrain

    grapesandgrain Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2015 Australia

    Simple mate, people love coffee and people also love beer. They also have complimentary flavors. I like both, but it can be done wrong just look at KBS for example, I like my coffee beers better without barrel aging.
     
  15. Highbrow

    Highbrow Pooh-Bah (1,770) Jan 7, 2011 California
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    i feel you. all these poser wanna' be beer ganxtas' with palates so poorly refined that don't recognize stale flavors & gnarly tastes, need their BA 'ghetto passes' revoked.
     
  16. qchic

    qchic Maven (1,303) Jul 6, 2004 Maryland

    I used to hang out in Floyd--it's frickin' beautiful! Haven't tried Red Roostarr as I can't pass up Monocacy Brewtus out of Frederick, Md.

    I'm a fan of coffee, beer, and coffee beer.
     
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  17. Hair

    Hair Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2006 California

    The answer is simple: A lot of people disagree with you on a subjective thing such as taste. Get over it. You aren't wrong, and they aren't wrong either.

    I love fresh coffee. Coffee in beer is a whole different animal. It doesn't go "stale" in hours like brewed coffee does. I've had aged coffee beers that were world class.
     
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  18. AugustusRex

    AugustusRex Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Canada (ON)

    There are world class IPAs that remain great after sitting on the shelf for two months, but the hops become more astringent. The IPAs have some stale tastes but they are still worth getting. I feel the same way about coffee in beer. I made this thread to hear what other coffee fans think.

    Another thing I want to know is whether beans or brewed coffee are added and when during the brewing process.
     
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  19. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Stouts are age worthy, whether BA or not, adjunct flavors or not. I have some aged Kbs and imo it's a bit better aged, than Fresh, it's a tad harsh fresh. I have some Bc coffee that I happen to like fresh, it ages wonderfully too. The only stout I've had that was "off " and not poorly constructed was a 2007 Bcbs that was clearly oxidized, but I'm sorry if the coffee component to my stouts are stale I can't detect it. Happily so.

    Great thread though, this should be as interisting as anything I've seen in a while. Nice OP.
     
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  20. Hair

    Hair Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2006 California

    It can be done many different ways, with brewed coffee liquor and/or extract added, or with coffee beans, but in general ground coffee is added to the fermenter after fermentation is complete and the tank is cold crashed; essentially making cold brewed coffee with beer instead of water.
     
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