What makes a brewery great?

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  1. 1000lbgrizzly

    1000lbgrizzly Maven (1,497) Jul 16, 2013 Illinois

    A friend and I were discussing how a brewery should be rated. Is it only as good as its best beer, or rather how its entire portfolio is on average? Or some other metric (longevity, innovation, etc)?

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    I originally argued for the foremost option, but after more thought I began to consider the market pressures a small- to medium-sized brewery is under. Apart from The Alchemist and Orval (and possibly Russian River), I know of no other small to midsize brewery that makes exclusively world-class beers, and my guess as to why is because more middle-of-the-road beer has a wider audience, = more volume sold, = more money. It's probably also very hard to successfully market a beer for $20+ per bomber, even if its a 100 point-er; the brewery would go bankrupt before word spread.

    As of now, I think the 'average' rule works for bigger breweries, bonus points for a good history/innovation. Smaller breweries deserve some leeway.
     
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  2. RBassSFHOPit2ME

    RBassSFHOPit2ME Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2009 California

    Hops, Wilds, and Bourbon Barrels.

    In that order.
     
  3. babybeluga

    babybeluga Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2014 Illinois

    Why do smaller breweries deserve leeway? :confused: A shitty beer is a shitty beer, regardless of who makes it. It's definitely more shameful for a big brewery to produce a bad product, assuming they have the resources to do better. Still, I don't think that any brewery should purposely make beers that they aren't proud of/stand behind.

    Longevity is not necessarily an indicator of quality. It's important for smaller breweries, especially considering the competition in craft brewing. I don't think many breweries can pull off and sell beer just because it's innovative. Dogfish head does it, but I can't think of others.

    I think a brewery's status is largely affected by money. Money allows for access to ingredients, equipment, labor, creative liberties, etc. It also gives the brewery the opportunity to label and market their product. I'm certain that there are many brewers making good, great, and world-class beers that go completely unnoticed.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The short answer is the quality of their beer.

    The longer answer….

    A brewery that makes one outstanding beer but the remainder of their brands are not outstanding is not an outstanding brewery.

    A brewery that is capable of making a number of their brands to be of outstanding quality is an outstanding brewery.

    Cheers!
     
  5. TheIPAHunter

    TheIPAHunter Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,026) Aug 12, 2007 California
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    That is it in a nutshell. I'm sure others will wax poetic on other points, but that's the answer.
     
  6. Hop_God

    Hop_God Initiate (0) Sep 29, 2014 California

    I think you should add Hill Farmstead to that short list. Not only do they make exclusively World Class beers, but they make a staggering amount more different styles and overall beers than Alchemist. For every beer they make to be of such caliber is extremely impressive.
     
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  7. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    I'd say it's some combination of all of the above.
    Of course their best beer is going to be a metric of which they're judged (or more so the one that has the most hype; is Dark Lord Three Floyd's best beer?) but the rest of the beers have to be of some quality as well.
    Longevity is one measure to judge: a brewery that doesn't produce quality products isn't going to survive long. However, innovation does too- one that sits on its laurels and doesn't produce new recipes will be left behind sooner or later.
    I would also submit that another measure is how they interact with their neighbors and the local community; do they get their name out for non-beer related activities.
     
  8. PorterPro125

    PorterPro125 Pooh-Bah (1,700) Jan 19, 2013 Canada (NB)

    Beer quality is definitely a big factor. However, I think that good beer alone does not make a good brewery. Craft beer is just as much about people as it is beer, so I'd say ownership that can relate to the people is extremely important. Breweries that offer their customers great service will be among the bests. If a brewery makes a mistake (faulty packaging, lack of carbonation, etc.) they should own up to their mistakes. Great breweries do exactly that.
     
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  9. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

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  10. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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  11. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    So you're saying that most small to mid-sized breweries intentionally brew mediocre beers because that's the better business model?
     
  12. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Agree wholeheartedly with this.
     
  13. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    He sources his data from BeerAdvocate, so... I agree! It contains the cumulative biases of BA users. He also uses style adjustments to juice the scores of less popular styles and to depress the scores of more popular styles, a practice with which I disagree philosophically.
     
  14. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Think of it like sports teams, a team with a couple of Hall of Fame level players, and a bunch of scrubs, is not a great team. A brewery that only makes one or two great beers is not a great brewery. To be a great brewery, you need very good-to-great beers throughout the majority of your line-up, a couple of HoF level beers, and a tradition of reliably making very good beers. Then, when the occasional clunker gets released, your reputation isn't irreparably harmed.
     
  15. edd562

    edd562 Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2014 California

    Has anyone been to Golden Road brewing? Ive visited some breweries and golden road is probably the best one, maybe their beers arent top notch, byt they have some great craft brews and great food. They have allow dogs to come in, they have a kids section a very family oriented brewery.
     
  16. Uniobrew31

    Uniobrew31 Pooh-Bah (1,567) Jan 16, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    A solid and consistent standard lineup at a brewpub goes a long way with me. So In a word, "Consistency"
     
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  17. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Unfortunately a lot of people overlook "shitty beer" for the criteria of proximity, homerism, and hype.
     
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  18. PatrickCT

    PatrickCT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,776) Feb 18, 2015 Connecticut

    Great beer makes a brewery great. Just like anything else...doing your job better than anyone else makes one great. It is all how one interprets great I suppose. Budweiser is great if marketing and advertising is taken into account. It got Americans to drink rice and corn beer for decades and then sing it's praises as the king of beers. But Budweiser isn't Founder's, Fat Head, Great Lakes and certainly not Sierra Nevada.
     
  19. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I'm much more impressed by a brewery making everything they do well versus having one or two great beers and the rest of the portfolio being sub par.
     
  20. Blueribbon666

    Blueribbon666 Pooh-Bah (1,669) Jul 4, 2008 Ohio
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    Very well spoken
     
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