did I oxidize my beer?

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  1. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I'm brewing a DME scotch ale like an 80 shilling, not a wee heavy. It was in primary for over 2 weeks. I was going to leave it in there for 4 from the recommendations of others here. I was in the town with the brew shop I got the kit from, and stopped in to get some things. He suggested I transfer and let it sit in a carboy for 2 more weeks and keg it. It wouldn't much more benefit beyond 4 weeks. Anyhow, I used the racking cane, and their was so much slurping noise going on.... The half inch hose didn't fit well. I see now I should have gotten some 7/16 to slip on. It sounded like slurping was coming from the nozzle as well. But it never was raised above the water line. I hoe I didn't ruin my beer.
     
  2. Wanda

    Wanda Zealot (518) Nov 23, 2006 Tennessee

    If it was pulling air in only time will tell if it's ruined. Not much help, sorry. You may want to consume this batch pretty quickly just in case.

    For what it's worth, I've plenty of my beers in primary for 4 weeks with zero ill effects. Heck...all I have is a primary! No secondary carboy. If you wanted to get it off the yeast you could transfer straight to your keg (assuming you have an empty one to transfer too) then let it do its secondary in there, then carb. Basically anything to avoid unnecessary transfers so as to avoid situations like this. Good luck with it.
     
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  3. bathtubbrewer

    bathtubbrewer Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2015 New Hampshire

    Here's a shot using kegs as secondary fermenters:
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    I simply remove dry hops, seal-up kegs, displace air in kegs with CO2 and age a couple of weeks in the 52* basement.
     
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  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I'm with Wanda and suggest that you consume this batch without any attempt at aging. You should probably keep a little beer behind just to see if oxidation does set in and experience that flavor if it happens, but your beer likely will be good to drink for up to a month or so before you notice any oxidation flavors (usually a cardboard-like flavor).

    But your story is a classic example why it really is not necessary to use a secondary fermentor, and it is also a classic example that sales people in the homebrew shop are not always the wisest brewers. :slight_frown:
     
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  5. bathtubbrewer

    bathtubbrewer Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2015 New Hampshire

    If I didn't keg everything, I wouldn't bother with a secondary either.
     
  6. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Instead of racking to secondary then to keg, why not just rack from primary to keg and let the keg be your secondary?
     
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  7. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    This is how I secondary in a keg:
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  8. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Show off :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  9. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    well, I hadn't thought about using a keg to do a secondary. So I guess, I'll get some smaller tubing and transfer to my keg then. Should I turn the temp way down (is this whats refereed to cold crash) and pressurize with CO2 to carbonate? I'm just thinking the cold would allow more CO2 to go into solution, hopefully displacing any excess O2.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Forcing CO2 into solution while carbonating in a keg does not force O2 out. Whatever O2 is still left in solution from when you racked is not going to come out. Not unless you boil the beer.
     
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  11. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Use this chart to set your CO2 pressures vs the temperature of your keezer. Having done CO2 injection of another sort - into a fish tank for the purposes of growing plants - I can tell you that CO2 isn't going to displace the oxygen. If you got O2 into your beer, it's there. The gases coexist.
     
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  12. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    How did you hook up that airlock to your corney @bathtubbrewer ?
     
  13. bathtubbrewer

    bathtubbrewer Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2015 New Hampshire

    Just an input (2 pins) pinlock fitting (could just as easy be a ball-lock), 1/4" section of hose and an airlock crammed into the hose end leaning in an inside corner.

    If you are not dry-hopping I would just rack to the keg, bleed in CO2-vent out and bleed in several times to push out any O2. Leave it at 30 psi and chill to 40*f. When I carb a 40*f keg I usually inject 20-30 psi of CO2 into the outlet post of the corny to help distribute the CO2 thru the beer and let it sit on pressure for a day.
     
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  14. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I haven't gotten the smaller hose to do the transfer yet. But I took a peek at the carboy. It looks like some fermentation has occurred. The top of the airlock is bubbley - frothy as though gas has passed through it. Should I take this as a sign fermentation is going on and just leave it be?

    Edit- I just watched bubbles flow through the airlock. So some gas activity is definitely going on. My instinct says leave it alone till it's done. Then keg to carbonate. What do the wise men say?
     
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  15. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Wise man say airlock activity isn't an absolute indicator of fermentation.
     
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  16. bathtubbrewer

    bathtubbrewer Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2015 New Hampshire

    So I take it you did not do a SG reading as you racked to your 2nd carboy?? Note: This is a good time to do so in the future to get a good idea if fermentation is waning.
    Take one of your sanitized racking canes and extract enough to get a sample to test with your hydrometer. What is your target FG?
     
  17. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I did. OG = 1.050. SG (@ transfer) = 1.016 I'm not sure what the target gravity is supposed to be. I can't find the papers provided, so I'm not sure if it was included.

    To the gas point though: if the temp was constant, I'm not sure what would cause a gas volume to increase other than yeast activity.
     
  18. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Edit: I found the paper. The target is supposed to be OG=1.047 and FG=1.012
     
  19. bathtubbrewer

    bathtubbrewer Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2015 New Hampshire

    .016 is nearing completion of an .010 finish for a low abv beer like this. If activity is still apparent and the temp has been consistent, fermentation may not be complete. Racking can awaken sleeping yeasties.. [​IMG]Only a hydrometer knows the truth..
     
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  20. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Rodger that. I'll just leave it be for another 2 weeks and let the yeast do what they do best.
     
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