Non Bourbon Barrel Aged Stouts

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  1. Satchboogie

    Satchboogie Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2010 Belgium
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    Yesterday the "Mott the Lesser" release reminded me again that, while I enjoy a good Bourbon BA stout, I much prefer a well crafted Stout aged in different barrels (or non barrel aged). I've always found that the bourbon tends to over power the beer, but it's definitely the craze today. You look at the top beers for RIS and Double American Stouts and they are almost all Bourbon Barrel aged and I just can't help to think that I'm not the only one who wants to see brewers start using more wine and other liquor barrels. It concerns me a little that seemingly the overwhelming majority thinks that a Bourbon barrel treated beer is always better than a non-BA beer.

    The other issue I see with a lot of these beers is that seemingly all RIS/Double American Stouts have become Imperial Sweet stouts in that they are almost always very sweet.

    All that said, I still enjoy Bourbon BA Beers, but my heart is with either non-BA, fully-fermented Stouts or those that were aged in different barrels/a variety. Who else feels this way?
     
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  2. Treyliff

    Treyliff Grand Pooh-Bah (5,025) Aug 10, 2010 West Virginia
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    I'm a bourbon aged guy myself, but I definitely like to crack open a straight up imperial stout every once in a while.
     
  3. Mike_Aguirre

    Mike_Aguirre Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2015 Mexico

    I quite enjoy a nice clean dry stout, but nowadays that´s so hard to find, everything has adjuncts and spices.
     
  4. deford

    deford Pooh-Bah (1,559) Nov 11, 2013 California
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    I must be a little buzzed...but...i"m not really sure what you said....
     
  5. Sound_Explorer

    Sound_Explorer Grand Pooh-Bah (3,044) Dec 29, 2013 Washington
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    I agree completely that BBA tends to overpower the actual beer often times. I've asked some brewers and they say that because bourbon barrels are traditionally only used once by a distiller that they are much cheaper and easier to get than most other spirits. Have gotten to try a Rum aged that was really good though. Just last night I tried a mint chocolate stout that was rather damn amazing. Good ol' fashioned stouts are out there for the dozen or so of us who still like them. :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  6. Texasfan549

    Texasfan549 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Feb 26, 2011 Texas
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    Yeti. I cracked one open the other day for the first time in a while. I knew it was good, but my hiatus made me forget how truly delicious it really is. No adjuncts, no barrel treatment, just delicious.
     
  7. fsckewe

    fsckewe Devotee (335) Nov 6, 2013 Ohio

    BBA is such a hot topic the last couple of years everybody is shoving everything into a bourbon barrel. That said, my favorite beers are big stouts that typically spend time in a barrel.

    I had a couple Guinness last weekend and was crushed by the ideal stout I had from drinking for 15 years. Have I been ruined? No, I think I just like more of a mouth feel and a rollercoaster of a flavor profile.

    As far as the sweetness you are experiencing with RIS and Double/Imerpial stouts.... I think that is to be expected. That's what I like about those styles....all those dark roasted malted barley, some how stuffed into that super saturated water. You are making me thirsty.

    But to answer your question....I'll try anything and am intrigued by aging in other barrels. But I do love my vanilla RIS or double stout, barrel free.

    cheers
     
  8. Eddiehop

    Eddiehop Pooh-Bah (2,122) Jun 28, 2014 Texas
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    Founders Imperial Stout, Old Rasputin & 10 Fidy are a few of the many great non BA stouts that can rival any great BA stout.
     
  9. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I'd take a quality 5% abv dry stout or oatmeal stout over a BBA stout any day of the week.
     
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  10. DoubleSimcoe

    DoubleSimcoe Pooh-Bah (2,779) Jan 7, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    What was your question again?
     
  11. Satchboogie

    Satchboogie Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2010 Belgium
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    Founders RIS is one that immediately comes to mind. I'm drinking Grimm Double Negative right now which is a very well crafted Double Stout. Lots of chocolate and coffee, vinous notes on the back of the palate, and it finishes relatively dry, despite having a full, luscious body. I should also note I enjoy the still-present hop character that really helps balance the sweetness. I had the BA version at EBF and I enjoy this more. I think some of the qualities of the base beer get completely dominated by the barrel and it definitely was sweeter.
     
  12. Satchboogie

    Satchboogie Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2010 Belgium
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    I think there's a trend to rate/idolize/hype BA beers (bourbon in particular) more than the non-BA (or non Bourbon BA) version and I think there is a major under-appreciation of a well-crafted Imperial Stout (regardless of barrel). I feel like plenty of stouts actually become worse with bourbon BA treatment and really want to see more barrel programs focused on barrels besides just bourbon. I'm interested in how many others feel this way.
     
  13. Eddiehop

    Eddiehop Pooh-Bah (2,122) Jun 28, 2014 Texas
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    OP wants variations of Aged Stouts, when really he should be enjoying the bada** non BA at a deep $$ discount like we all should be :wink:. BA stouts are starting to get stupid expensive...
     
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  14. DoubleSimcoe

    DoubleSimcoe Pooh-Bah (2,779) Jan 7, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Ah! OK... yes, I agree to an extent... I love me a good bourbon-barrel stout, no doubt. But between an average BA-stout and a mighty-good regular imperial stout, I'm going with the "regular".

    Founders Imp Stout and Oskar Ten Fidy are my two favorites, but also Bell's Expedition, Stone RIS/IRS, Cigar City Marshal Zhukov, any of the Southern Tier variants...

    Heck, even the massive, 17% Avery Mephistopheles is a non-barrel stout!
     
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  15. DoubleSimcoe

    DoubleSimcoe Pooh-Bah (2,779) Jan 7, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Damn right. Brandy, tequila, mezcal, Pedro Ximenez, Malaga, Fernet Branca... there are plenty of cool barrels out there waiting to be used...
     
  16. SierraJosh

    SierraJosh Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2013 California

    Affordable and tasty, Ten Fidy & Narwhal got me thru the tough CA winter. I agree about other barrels, i really enjoyed the HF Daybreak, orange liquor barrel stout. Never had it but Pirate Bomb sounds fantastic.
     
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  17. SoleBriety

    SoleBriety Maven (1,445) Oct 10, 2013 California
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    Lagunitas Cappucino Stout and Modern Times Blackhouse stout are two of my favorite Non-BBA stouts.
     
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  18. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    I love some non-BA stouts, like Ten FIDY. However, I more often prefer BA stouts. However, it seems like the American versus English barleywine comparison. Some love one, and others love the other.
     
  19. MicroBeerMan1980

    MicroBeerMan1980 Initiate (0) May 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    A well made Imperial/Double stout is a thing to behold. You can throw any old garbage into a barrel, and it'll still be garbage when it's removed from the barrel. However, if you have a solid base beer, barrel aging can do wonders. Some of the really good stouts I can think of are Speedway, Founders Breakfast, Hunahpu, Darkness, Earl, Odin's Raven, Sunny Side Up, Serpent's Stout, Mephistopheles' Stout, Old Viscosity, Big Black Voodoo Daddy, Abraxas, Sump Coffee Stout, Yeti, Plead the 5th, to name a few. What's more, you put any one of these beers in a barrel, it adds layers and character to the beer, and many times, it becomes infinitely better.
     
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  20. iong516

    iong516 Initiate (0) Jul 4, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Dark Apparition
     
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