Beer Pricing - A Moral Responsibility?

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  1. MisterBisco

    MisterBisco Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2009 New York

    A question was raised in my regional forum that I thought warranted the larger discourse of the community.

    A local corner deli (read: "bodega", if you're familiar with NYC lingo) received a case of KBS, didn't advertise, and was selling it off the shelf at $10/4pack. There was some debate regarding the responsibility of the consumer - do you...

    -Tell the shopkeeper that they are drastically undercharging for the product (selling wholesale for $100/case in NYC)?
    -Buy a 4-pack, be glad you got a great deal, leave the rest for other folks to get a lucky price? (Possibly assuming that they AREN'T undercharging, due to some error in the process - distributor error, etc)
    -Buy it all, hoard it, trade it $4$, or stow it away to sell on BeerCellar for a huge profit later?
    -Something else?

    I honestly don't know what I'd do, though I know it wouldn't be the last one. I've seen enough weird things happen in the city, most notably when the Goose Island 4 Ladies were priced at $8/bottle throughout Manhattan due to a distributor pricing error, that I wouldn't jump to assuming it was causing the retailer any significant loss. On the other hand, it isn't like the corner bodega is Whole Foods, and "small" losses can add up to a significant impact on viability (especially in rent-inflated New York).

    On the flip side, where is the responsibility on the high end? If you know that your favorite shop is selling KBS for $6/bottle, but a shop in the same area is charging $9/bottle and still selling out in minutes, do you have a responsibility to tell your shop they are "under-charging"? Where does the line sit for you?

    No "right answers" to these questions, obviously, but I think an ample opportunity to consider our role and responsibility as consumers.

    N.B. - This thread is largely based off of some discourse that was raised in this NY Regional thread. Props to my locals: http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/kbs-in-nyc.273622/page-3#post-3513398
     
  2. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Me personally, I'd buy a 4-pack, be glad you got a great deal, leave the rest for other folks to get a lucky price...
     
  3. gopens44

    gopens44 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,560) Aug 9, 2010 Virginia
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    I live in perpetual fear that at any moment, karma will kill me with a flaming chainsaw of ebola ridden shark teeth to the crotch. It is this fear that makes me do things like tell the bodega guy that he really, really, REALLY needs to check into that price. Then I'd probably be even more of a dick (as viewed by some perhaps) by showing him a price discussion thread on it. That's just me though. Not judging what others may do.
     
  4. mackeyse

    mackeyse Initiate (0) Aug 21, 2012 New York

    "Buy a 4-pack, be glad you got a great deal, leave the rest for other folks to get a lucky price? (Possibly assuming that they AREN'T undercharging, due to some error in the process - distributor error, etc)"

    Having lived in NYC for 5 years I am never complaining about finding a good deal or something mislabeled. In all seriousness I don't see any other option than what I quoted. Sellers pick the price and we reap the benefits (or complain about high prices). And leaving one for the next guy is the right thing to do.
     
  5. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    -Buy a 4-pack, be glad you got a great deal, leave the rest for other folks to get a lucky price? (Possibly assuming that they AREN'T undercharging, due to some error in the process - distributor error, etc)


    The owner priced the product in their store, where they are making some money, maybe they get a higher return on other products than beer, or maybe they price the product to move instead of letting it take up valuable shelf/fridge space.

    Hell i would almost go back a week later and buy a 2nd 4 pack and compliment them on their pricing.
     
  6. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I say the moral thing is to say something to the store manager / worker that the pricing might appear to be off waay under, so the store can fix it and not cut their income / losses due to an error. Also might cost someone a job if not caught in time. Then the moral thing to reciprocate would be for the store clerk / owner etc still should sell you a 4pack for $10 IMO as listed because that how businesses work (you pay for the listed price). Just don't buy them out and resell for more...that is slimey IMO.
     
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  7. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Does the fellow not pay for the beer before he sells it? I mean that is very low. I would say ,morally, that if you want that fellow to remain in business, for your convenience of course, perhaps a polite question and a little chit chat would suffice. "Gee I was so happy to find this it is usually so much more expensive, before I buy it would you check that price?"
     
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  8. Preluderl

    Preluderl Pooh-Bah (1,796) Sep 27, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    This. It's their responsibility as business owners to make sure that they're charging properly for their products. Buy a 4 pack, say thank you and be happy that the world shined down on you today.
     
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  9. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    I generally inform a retailer if I see a product that I know to be priced well below the going rate if there's no indication that it is an intentionally low, promotional price. Unintentional mispricing due to asymmetric information or human error results in deadweight economic loss and allocative inefficiency. Sure, the purchaser gains a windfall of a larger than expected consumer surplus, but that is purely an unintentional redistribution from the seller to the purchaser. And of course the guy who is unable to purchase the product at all because it sold out quickly at the unintentionally low price loses out entirely on his potential consumer surplus. You certainly are doing no net good to society by not bringing up the potential pricing problem in that respect. On the other hand, proper pricing generally is the responsibility of the seller, and perhaps there is some benefit in not absolving him of that responsibility. Caveat vendor. Still, I would tend to say that you are doing some net economic good by pointing out a likely pricing problem; you are providing information that helps to resolve a localized market inefficiency. I think of it as mainly an economic issue rather than a moral or ethical issue, however, and I don't think it's at all limited to the product of beer.
     
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  10. WillemHC

    WillemHC Zealot (604) Jun 21, 2013 Utah

    If its a local mom and pop shop I would want them to do well so I would tell them to up the price and then I would post a thread on here telling everyone in the city about the fact that that shop still had hella beers. I would leave many more for others and help out the shop. If it were a whole foods or any large chain store I would say nothing, buy a little bit more than necessary. Say 6 bottles. And then I would tell people to buy the beer before they realized that they could up the price to make a marginal amount more money that doesn't effect their profits even by a fraction of a percentage.
     
  11. RBowers

    RBowers Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2014 Virginia

    You win some and you lose some, on both sides of the cash register.
     
  12. MisterBisco

    MisterBisco Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2009 New York

    All good in theory - but what would YOU do, if you saw a 4-pack in the fridge with a $9.99 price sticker on the side? You tend to argue that it's for the greater economic good to point out the error, but that doesn't mean you personally wouldn't say, "Eh, it's only one 4-pack."
     
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  13. 31Sam13

    31Sam13 Initiate (0) Sep 29, 2014 New Hampshire

    IF YOU CAN BE SELFLESS LIKE OP IS IMPLYING...I SAY KARMA SMILES UPON YOU...
     
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  14. Lonestar9

    Lonestar9 Zealot (555) Apr 27, 2008 South Carolina
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  15. Biff_Tannen

    Biff_Tannen Initiate (0) Dec 8, 2013 Missouri

    If there's no limit, I'm buying all of that shit. Can't believe I'm the first to answer that but I see no moral issue whatsoever in doing so.
     
  16. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    I'm a little unclear on the economic distortion caused by an isolated incident of undercharging. What, exactly, is the deadweight loss? You sort of hint at the issue of quick sellout issues, but isn't that moot on a beer like KBS? I mean, the stuff sells out in hours regardless. I guess I'm just unclear on what this market inefficiency actually looks like or results in here.
     
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  17. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Pricing a beer for less than the wholesale price they paid is obviously an error and not just "undercharging" or some type of a "loss leader" deal. The ethical thing to do would be to tell the retailer of their mistake.
     
  18. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    Even if you perceive no ethical problem in taking advantage of the possible mispricing for yourself, you could make your purchase and then tell the seller, "Hey, by the way, you probably should be charging more for this product. It's going to sell out quickly at this price, and you're leaving money on the table." You extract your windfall of a large consumer surplus and, hopefully, the problem gets corrected going forward. The fact that I don't do this, that I speak up prior to purchase, I suppose suggests that I do indeed see some ethical component to this situation, at least for me. I don't necessarily begrudge anyone else for reacting differently, however. I do think that the notion that you are doing some sort of good deed by not speaking up is rather short-sighted and displays economic ignorance.
     
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  19. MisterBisco

    MisterBisco Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2009 New York

    Unless, as is often the case, the price is derived from a standard formula based on distributor pricing, and it was actually a distributor pricing error and not a mistake on the retailer's end.

    Which, if that's the case (to the economists in the audience), should the retailer then contact the distributor and inform them of an undercharge? Just saying, bodega or not, I don't know of a single retailer that would make that decision.
     
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  20. erushing

    erushing Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2014 Texas

    My first thought was that I'd definitely pick up at least two 4-packs and not feel bad at all. My limiting factor would be more that I still have most of a case of BCBS at home and my beer "cellar" is completely full already. I would assume lots of people would do the same whether they'd cop to it publicly or not.
     
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