RELEVENCE: What Does It Mean?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Gytaryst, Apr 14, 2015.

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  1. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    This rambling diatribe is both overthinking and underthinking these things.

    No, 10,000 are not.just copying the review before them. No, the people who frequent BA don't agree that budweiser is a great beer. At least in general.

    Nothing worth holding a seminar on is going on here. Also big wtf at the title of this thread
     
  2. Gytaryst

    Gytaryst Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2015 Arizona

    Exactly.
     
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  3. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    I've looked at the ratings for some beers especially when my rating is an outlier and I have noticed variations among a group of people who appear to be objectively rating the beers. some of the variations can be explained by handling issues - bad beer lines, bad storage, etc and some just on the fact that people do not like the particualr style. There are also variations due to taste. I'm comfortable with the written ratings and a percentage of the unwritten ones.

    Outside of an objective core there are other less objective reviews. Some breweries' beers rate well because they are popular and some rate poorly because we all love to hate them. There may also be people who are rating beers who are rating beers they have not tried. I don't know about this site but on another well known site there is one person who has rated 37,477 beers - the site was founded in 2000 so that works out to just about 2500 unique beers per year over a fifteen year period. I think that would be pretty difficult to do over a 15 year period unless that person is independently wealthy or has the best job in the world and doesn't have to do anything else but find beer and drink it. So there is probably a percentage of people out there who are rating beer without drinking it and their ratings will probably cluster around the mean. Because their ratings are clustering around the mean, I do not think the people rating what they haven't had are skewing the overall ratings too much.

    When I am looking for something to drink I usually do not look at the ratings anyway.
     
  4. 57md

    57md Grand Pooh-Bah (3,033) Aug 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    The scores reflect the collective perspective of the people on this site. That is useful information but it certainly does not say anything about the universal love/hate/indifference for any of the beers listed by the O.P.

    Beyond that, I'm unsure what the O.P. is expecting from these numbers.
     
  5. Lucular

    Lucular Grand Pooh-Bah (4,367) Jun 20, 2014 Maryland
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    RELEVENCE: How is it spelled????? is the bigger question.
     
  6. Gytaryst

    Gytaryst Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2015 Arizona

    There beers listed were random - I have no "love/hate/indifference" feeling about any of them. I didn't mean to give the impression that I have any "expectations" about the numbers - I don't. All of this is completely subjective anyway. I was just making an observation - (call it boredom if you will). I wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes or piss in anyone's sacred chalice.

    A lot of people, some people, a couple people... (not sure how to word it so it's not misinterpreted)... use "Beer Advocate" as a resource to find out what beers are good, (highly rated) and what beers aren't. I'm probably being a bit presumptuous here, but one might almost get the impression that THAT is one of the biggest reasons why there even is a "Beer Advocate" website to begin with.

    My ONLY hypothesis... and it strictly a theory based on absolutely nothing. If you did a blind taste test with 1,000 beer drinkers on this site and tallied the results, and then allowed them to evaluate the same exact beers using the BA format, the results MIGHT... MIGHT... not be the same. That was really my only point. And I'm the first to admit that in the overall big picture of everything... it's probably a pretty insignificant point. In fact, unlike the other threads on this forum, this one is most CERTAINLY "Nothing worth holding a seminar on."
     
  7. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    Beer Scores and Reviews while they are fun to look at and get someone else's idea of what X beer taste like, ultimately it comes down to "Do i like it".

    Are people actually inflating scores just to fit in? If so that would just be really sad.
     
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  8. dank203

    dank203 Maven (1,271) May 21, 2012 New Jersey

    if people take this rating system that seriously, then unfortunately they haven't tried enough beers. there are plenty of beers that I prefer over the top 250 brews. its a good reference point because all of them are good but you need to form your own opinion without relying on ratings. if people are just following the hype or whatever that's too bad but theyre mostly beginners. they will reach a point when they know what they like or don't like, despite the hype. otherwise theyre just following a fad which lets face it, beeradvocate fuels that kind of stuff. if you love beer for the beer itself, you don't need beeradvocate or untapped or anything like it. no offense
     
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  9. Gytaryst

    Gytaryst Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2015 Arizona

    That might be true. I obviously worded my initial post wrong. I wasn't meaning to address anything about how "seriously" anyone takes the ratings or doesn't take them.
    True Dat!
    Yup, and yet... here we are.
     
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  10. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Ah! I was totally with you up until you said that last sentence! :wink:
     
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  11. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    They actually definitely... definitely... would not be the same. You make a good point there. Working at a bottle shop, you see some people checking their phones more than is socially acceptable by even modern standards. I'm guilty of it myself and I always wonder if things would have escalated as much as they have concerning the Rarity/Score ratio we've come to look for in a beer if it wasn't for websites like this one. I'm with you on that, but I say having some sort of meter is better than no meter at all, even if said meter is flawed. That's where trusting your gut comes in.
     
  12. 57md

    57md Grand Pooh-Bah (3,033) Aug 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    I agree wholeheartedly and you are NOT presumptuous at all. Frankly, I think that practically everyone uses this site for the above reason - even the ones who loudly deny taking the slightest glance at BA scores.

    Also, this is almost certainly true. A beer's reputation has something (maybe a great deal) to do with its score here on BA. Blind taste testing would be the optimal way to rate beers but that is an unlikely scenario for most of us most of the time.

    If what you said in the response above was the gist of your initial post, I most certainly missed it - my apologies.

    Of all the beers you listed, I think that the top flight DIPAs/IPAs probably would fair the least well in a blind taste testing vs. other really good beers of the same style.

    I think that FBS, BCBS and KBS have fairly unique flavor profiles to them and would be the easiest to discern in a blind taste test.
     
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  13. DaveAnderson

    DaveAnderson Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2011 Minnesota

    The only response this thread needed, except perhaps a link to BeerAdvocate Ratings, Explained. Which reminds me:

    You appear to be confusing rDev and pDev. rDev is a measure of an individual review, compared to all of the others.
     
  14. gcamparone

    gcamparone Pooh-Bah (2,131) Dec 6, 2011 Rhode Island
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    **pDev, typo
     
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