Bad Feedback question

Bad trader in my book.

1) he agreed to trade (to me this means trade accepted through feedback system, shipping addresses swapped, shipping date agreed upon)
2) he changes shipping dates because "things came up" you sympathize
3) he changes agreed upon bottles, you concede
4) he drops the trade (this time not because things came up)

Granted no beer was lost, and I guess you don't have to leave him negative feedback because that's your right, but I'd appreciate if I BM you if you could tell me who he was so I can count him off my list.

 

I think neutral feedback is warranted. In my opinion once the trade button has been clicked the trade is set and the other party agreed to the terms. Leaving neutral feedback, and explaining the situation will allow others to be forewarned.

 

Definitely seems like someone whose shopping his bottle(s) for best offer even after making an "agreement". Which in my book, is a man's word or *code of honor*. It shouldn't matter if he has zero trades or 100+ and they are all positive, its not a good way to conduct " business". Please BM me his name. Also, some type of feedback should be left (neutral with explanation so others are forewarned is my vote)

 

I agree that neutral feedback is warranted. This is a game based on trust, so once you "shake hands" and have a trade setup (addresses, dates, feedback system, etc.), you are locked in barring any crazy circumstances. His antics with changing the parameters of the trade, and then backing out completely is not how things should be done, and it would be a service to the community for other people to be made aware of his actions.

Also, be aware that retaliatory feedback is not tolerated, so if he tries to leave you bad feedback (and your story is 100% true) he would likely get banned.

 

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fuck this guy

 

OP, this has been re-hashed endlessly (though it's probably difficult to find with the search function). People differ on how to handle this 'formally'.

Informally, everyone above is right. Assuming your story is accurate, the other trader is a dick & I wouldn't want anything to do with him.

But as I've said before, once you start down the path of 'bad' or 'neutral' feedback when no beer has actually been exchanged or lost, it opens up a whole can of worms. Because it becomes a he said/she said situation where nobody except the two parties involved are going to know exactly what happened. We've had some threads like this where an aggrieved party outs someone for a trade not made - & they've often devolved to the point where both parties were covered in stupid (& then get deleted). I know there's a user or two out there who've done this, & there's no way in hell I'd trade with them for anything. There's always another side to the story.

If I were you I'd stick the jerk on my DNT list & forget about it.

 

Definately wouldn't want to trade with this guy

 

Generally, I'd agree with you, but in this case, it appears OP went out and bought beer for this trade. If that's the case, aside from the general time and angst, OP has spent money on this trade in reliance upon a finalized deal. This, to me, makes bad trader and warrants neutral feedback. In the vein of your post, I would reserve bad feedback for beer lost or other extraordinary circumstances.

 

I say neutral feedback

 

I know you said you wouldn't name names, but I would contact the other folks with open trades with this guy. Frankly, I think he should have to come on here and explain himself. At the very least, it gives a record of this that people can search.

 

Frankly, he's damned close to deserving negative fb, but I agree with those who suggest leaving neutral fb. His actions have been thoroughly crappy & untrustworthy. Let the community know. In fact, by leaving negative fb you might convince him to conduct himself better going forward.

 

I wouldn't trade with this piece of shit. I'd be inclined to leave negative feedback too because a trade was accepted and reneged on and you were subjected to running around and the like.

 

You need to leave SOME type of feedback, at least to possibly prevent him from doing this to other people in the future. The deal was made once he clicked on that trade button, and he should have some consequence for backing out.

Just give neutral feedback and explain exactly what happened - we all need to look out for each other around here.

 

I don't see why no feedback is even a question. If bad feedback is for a straight ripoff, e.g. beer not sent, what the hell else would neutral feedback ever be for if not this? Dude accepted a trade. Not sort of, but officially. Then he changed it twice, then called it off for no good reason. Personally, I wouldn't blame you for leaving bad feedback—no reason that should be reserved only for theft. It was a trade that went "bad". Period. I can understand not wanting to go that far, but neutral feedback is absolutely warranted.

People being too nice about feedback is probably why half of this shit goes on in the first place. How many bad trader threads have we seen where people start coming out of the woodwork saying, "yeah he did something similar to me, but I got my beer 6 months later so gave good feedback"?

 

You're out money you wouldn't have been otherwise. Bad feedback warranted.

 

I would leave this guy bad feedback. The behavior you describe is the epitome of a bad trader. Aside from that, trade was accepted, you never got your beer, he is a bad trader.

 

slippery slope, and we've only heard 1 side of the story. no offense, but you are always the first person to damn the side that has yet to tell their side of the story. not really a "benefit of doubt" kind of guy, eh?

to me, it's very clear: bad trader = I sent you beer, and you ripped me off. all we've heard here is that some jabronie was a flake, allegedly made the OP go buy different beer, etc. but we don't know that for sure. a jerk? probably. someone most of us wouldn't trade with? absolutely. bad trader? not sure to be honest.

my friendly advice to you is stop posting as the judge, jury & executioner, despite your good intentions.

 

Here is a little friendly advice for you in return, before you make inaccurate posts about me, look through the history of my posts, many times you will see me posting an @XXXXXXXX, asking that person to join the conversation and give their side of story.

The OP asked for opinions and I gave mine. He also said he wasn't going to name names, so no reason for me to ask the other side for their opinion.

 

fair enough, it was just a (late night) observation on my part (yes, 10:30pm is late for me), it seemed to be a trend