Please don't fall for behind the scene auctions

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  1. mythaeus

    mythaeus Pooh-Bah (2,074) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    This happened to me twice recently and bothers me enough to post this in hope that we can try to collectively help each other by avoid participating in auctions behind the scene.

    Last month someone posted a glassware trade. He was looking for 1:1. I PM'ed and told him I'll go 2:1 as I thought that would be more fair for him (2 different colors of the same glass). Right after that someone responded to his ISO and said exactly the same thing. He responded to my PM and said someone said his glass worth a lot more and that there's someone else in front of me and that he'd probably go with that trader. He then asked if I can add a specific beer (to match the glasses) and that he's "extra" me some beers. Reluctant, but I said "yes" and thought that was a done deal. He then messaged me back that he's going to go with the first trader because he's willing to do the same offer as mine. I don't have any problem with him going with the first trader, but I really felt I got used as a leverage to get more out of the first trader. I didn't bother to respond and owned the fact that I fell for the bidding trap.

    Just yesterday, someone posted an ISO for beer A (limited) and offered up a hot beer B (pre). The post seems straight up 1:1 considering asking 2:1 A:B would be absurd. I messaged and asked if the trade is still open. He said yes and that he's getting 1:1 offers and asked if I'm "willing to do more". I said no and told him it's bad form to create a behind the scene auction. Had I offered more, in all likelihood he would go back to the other traders and ask for better offers.

    In any case, I know it's just beer/glass/whatever and that you are free to do whatever you want with them, but please help fellow traders out by not falling for or putting in bids when you are discussing trades. We frown at "best offers" auction posts publicly, we shouldn't be participating it them in private conversations.
     
    #1 mythaeus, Apr 16, 2015
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  2. zookerman182

    zookerman182 Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 Alabama

    This is going to keep happening, its the nature of what "beer valuing" and "trade winning" has become.
     
    #2 zookerman182, Apr 16, 2015
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  3. mythaeus

    mythaeus Pooh-Bah (2,074) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    No doubt that it will keep happening and I'm not really ranting about the fact it's happening. As many trades as I've done though, I thought I wouldn't get caught up in it, but I was wrong. Just wanted to caution others not to fall for those auction-y discussions, intentional or not.
     
    #3 mythaeus, Apr 16, 2015
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  4. youbrewidrink

    youbrewidrink Initiate (0) Apr 9, 2009 Vermont

    I can't agree more!

    This has been happening way too much, I don't believe that many of them are sincere to start with. If you propose any trade, honor it.
     
    #4 youbrewidrink, Apr 16, 2015
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  5. WI-Beer-Man

    WI-Beer-Man Maven (1,407) May 29, 2014 Wisconsin

    Would it be bad form to go back to the original thread and notify others by responding "AUCTION!" ? :wink:
     
    #5 WI-Beer-Man, Apr 16, 2015
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  6. Rlhinson2104

    Rlhinson2104 Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2014 Florida

    ^^^ THAT would be helpful!
     
    #6 Rlhinson2104, Apr 16, 2015
  7. mythaeus

    mythaeus Pooh-Bah (2,074) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    He's clarifying that he meant if I want to expand. I re-read a few times, hard to read it that way, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I wouldn't want to create drama through thread-shitting anyway.
     
    #7 mythaeus, Apr 16, 2015
  8. F2brewers

    F2brewers Maven (1,432) Mar 12, 2005 Massachusetts
    Society Trader

    No, it wouldn't and the post will more than likely be taken down.

    If you've got evidence of an auction, report the original ISO and let the mods know you've got the written evidence.

    Then, we can take appropriate action.
     
    #8 F2brewers, Apr 16, 2015
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  9. boutwell

    boutwell Zealot (742) Dec 27, 2013 Colorado
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    Fairly certain I know which post you are speaking of, and that sounds like ass coverage. You are more forgiving than I would be.
     
    #9 boutwell, Apr 16, 2015
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  10. BeerMeBro720

    BeerMeBro720 Initiate (0) May 2, 2013 Ohio

    This is the main reason why I stick with repeat traders. There's too much going on behind the scenes now
     
    #10 BeerMeBro720, Apr 16, 2015
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  11. 3SH33TS

    3SH33TS Initiate (0) Dec 21, 2010 California

    yeah, a lot of pseudo auctioning goes on... if someone tries to bait me into one, I just pass and add them to my personal DNT list...
     
    #11 3SH33TS, Apr 16, 2015
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  12. Stevedore

    Stevedore Grand Pooh-Bah (5,096) Nov 16, 2012 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Agreed, doing my part. Are the rest of you doing yours?
     
    #12 Stevedore, Apr 16, 2015
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  13. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Pooh-Bah (2,890) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina
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    I'm starting to agree with you, I know a majority of trades go down without a hitch, but ya still gotta worry a bit
     
    #13 TonyLema1, Apr 17, 2015
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  14. F2brewers

    F2brewers Maven (1,432) Mar 12, 2005 Massachusetts
    Society Trader

    I am.

    Would-be traders who try this with the mods tend to fare poorly in the bigger scheme of things. :wink:
     
    #14 F2brewers, Apr 17, 2015
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  15. Abbbp

    Abbbp Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 9, 2013 Texas
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Did this have anything to do w FT: triple sunshine? Because I feel like I got the exact same response from someone.
     
    #15 Abbbp, Apr 17, 2015
  16. bluehende

    bluehende Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2010 Delaware

    I had a similar situation in an in person trade. Trade set up for my Alchemist truck sale beers. Then in the time in between the sale he gets a better offer by mail. He asked if I would double the beer as he had a better offer. I told him to go with the better offer as it was double what his was worth. He came back begging as the other offer fell through (yeah right). No way would I wait at my vacation for him to maybe show up. He was later banned as a bad trader.
     
    #16 bluehende, Apr 17, 2015
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  17. NJR19056

    NJR19056 Devotee (318) Mar 23, 2011 Pennsylvania
    Trader

    Cool- what do you do, ban them?
     
    #17 NJR19056, Apr 18, 2015
  18. F2brewers

    F2brewers Maven (1,432) Mar 12, 2005 Massachusetts
    Society Trader

    we have a number of options available, including that.
     
    #18 F2brewers, Apr 18, 2015
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  19. Beerly-Departed

    Beerly-Departed Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2013 Florida

    Yeah this just happened to me. This was his first response, not even a hello lol
    1. Cool... I have a lot of offers coming in. What are u looking for and ratios?
    FYI...he had an open-ended ISO; I inquired
     
    #19 Beerly-Departed, Apr 25, 2015
  20. HOPTOMIC_BOMB

    HOPTOMIC_BOMB Savant (1,044) Feb 18, 2014 California
    Trader

    Out the trader.
     
    #20 HOPTOMIC_BOMB, Apr 25, 2015
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