BA Stone IRS

It seems like one of those beers that has an elevated trade status, simply and only because it is .rar

EDIT: I should add though, that it's essentially Stone's take on BCBS Rare.

 

Having had the 2008 version at Beachwood Brewing's First Anniversary party I would say... No

who knows though, maybe the 2010 version is better. I'm not saying it was bad - it's really good - on par with regular BCBS

 

i thought the wales posts were jokes. and not like, "look at you, you're pathetic; you're a joke!" but like "oh, you were kidding. (uncomfortable laughter)." in other words, typical trying-too-hard "we're the BA meme crew! we're professional comedians!!" sub-humor.

but, maybe the beer's rarer than i thought. stone makes remarkably little barrel aged beer... remarkable for how big they are, and for how good the barrel treatments come out when you get to have them at events. (shrug)

 

OP to sum it up, only available at the 3 SD locations and less than 100 cases.

 

http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/stone-2010-ba-irs-released.28987/#post-359384

 

Ouch! Thanks for the info. I love Stone IRS and was thinking of trying to land a bottle. However, after reading the potential infection/sour taste/low-fill problems, I think I'll pass for now.

 

Why is it hard to understand? Infection issues aside, a beer that sees a brewery-only release with a bottle count under 1000 generally warrants a high trade value. That would make the beer rare, literally. Off-the-shelf wales are not supposed to be the norm, though, I guess it's no-holds-barred from here on out.

 

honestly, if there was any "honest reasonableness" in so-called trade value, the idea that something just released could be as valuable as something that has been tried, reviewed, and remained on top of the mountain... is ridiculous.

it's no big deal though. i care about what impacts me or most people; that people spend 99% of their "trade value" thinking time engaging in magical thinking, or "i think i'm using my reason, but in fact i'm being dominated by emotion, hope, and greed," is no skin off my back. maybe a great beer here or there will go draft-only no-growler, wooo, call the fire department.

 

there's nothing magical or esoteric about the concept of trading rare beer for rare beer. in fact, it's probably the most consistent guideline one can count on for trade value. there's no disputing the method of release or bottle counts--they're cold, hard facts while something like taste is subjective. it's the reason why it's unlikely someone will trade a BA Sexy Chocolate that's #19 in the RIS ratings for a Parabola that's at #5.

 

what you're saying is reasonable on its own, but as a response to what i wrote it's downright laughable.

take a step away from your "i have a point, and let me clarify it," position and realize how ridiculous it is to assume something no one has drank is as good and "worth trading for" as a tried and true monster like m, wooden hell, and now even king henry.

rarity is not itself uncommon. high quality + rare is (obviously!) where you would expect value to go up.

seriously... this tiny amount of argument i've given should not be necessary. if you even for a second think it's reasonable that a just-released, never drank beer would be as "valuable" as things like wooden hell, sit back and think. if you still think it's reasonable after a few minutes, it's time to shut out all the lights, turn off anything in your apartment/house/etc that makes noise, and think literally as hard as you can.

edit: p.s. hellshire

 

you're assuming too much from what i wrote. nowhere did i mention anything about it being "reasonable" just that it's a consistent guideline for determining a trade. now that you mention king henry, from the get go, it had a very high trade value for a shelf beer. This was even before there were reports of it being as good as it's supposed to be. by your logic, it would have been foolish to throw some "tried and true" beers at it, but that's exactly what happened. now you're using it in your argument as being tried and true. i'm not sure what's going on here but it appears you need to be the one to take a step back for a breather.

 

heavy facepalming right now.

look, if you don't understand what's going on here, you have problems that i can't fix. maybe if you're lucky, someone else wants to try explaining it in a different way.

as a hint: i'm not assuming anything about what you wrote, i'm explaining, simply, why it's ridiculous for day-of-release value of any beer to be as high as tried and true high value beers. i'm also explaining that there is literally something wrong happening in your brain if you take the last sentence i wrote, throw "but 100 bottles is 100 bottles, SO EQUAL VALUE!" at it, and come away satisfied.

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edit: p.s. king henry didn't trade anywhere near as high as it does now around when it was released. not even the same ballpark as high. edit2: in fact, i'm pretty sure there was something else that was really "hyped" from GI around that time, and people kept coming back from releases / tastings, saying like "i didn't manage to grab any of X, but holy shit this king henry i got was good." anyone remember what i'm talking about? was it a bourbon county variant? gyah, memory sucks.

 

King Henry appeared at FoBAB last November, a few months before it was released in bottles, and it was the hit of the ball. It also did not trade very high when first released. I traded for 2 more KH's straight up with 2 DL's.

 

I'll try....

A picture is worth a thousand words, so this is why something JUST released, shouldn't trade for "Tried-and-true" beers that are considered "Great" by the vast majority:




You'll notice that the third comment down also stated they drain-poured one.

 

This is pretty ridiculous. You say you're not assuming anything when, in fact, you were when you said the following:

"take a step away from your "i have a point, and let me clarify it," position and realize how ridiculous it is to assume something no one has drank is as good and "worth trading for" as a tried and true monster like m, wooden hell, and now even king henry."

I never assumed anything--my first response proves this. Go back and check. The fact that you're obtuse as all get out is not my problem. You can seek out a therapist for that affliction.

For the record, I agree with you that a beer like "Small Animal Big Machine" should not be able to pull something like an "M" but you realize I was speaking specifically to the OP concerning why a beer like BA Stone IRS should be able to pull a BA Huna (which isn't even in the same category of M in terms of rareness). Why shouldn't it? It was brewery-only, from a reputable brewery, low bottle count, and has received favorable reviews in keg form (which goes along with your "tried and true" logic). I got the sense from his post that because it's from Stone, somehow it doesn't carry the cachet that BA Huna and Cantillon have.

Anyway, I'm not wasting anymore keystrokes on this.

 

because no one had even opened a bottle of it yet (obviously!!). the face saving you're trying to do over such a pointless argument is pathetic. quote "tried and true" all you want, but my original point about trade value and insta-whales is so patently true that only an idiot would disagree with it.

p.s. love the last point about "i got the sense that b/c it's from stone, etc." while i didn't "assume" anything from your posts, it turns out that, in fact, i should have assumed something, since the whole crux of your point was some stuff you were thinking about but didn't bother writing down.

 

I learned a lesson in waiting to see if the beer is actually good before letting the hype train leaves the station, which is hard to not get caught up in these days. I think from now on I will hold onto my bottles, drink a few, then decide if I want to trade.

 

Hahah Adam Jackson all up in that bitch.

 

Maybe this whole experience will teach people to be more patient with trading. Maybe wait for some reviews to come out before losing their minds trying to trade away (or for) a bottle.

I really doubt it though.

EDIT: That said, I do find it very commendable that the vast majority of people I've seen that posted trade threads involving this beer have since closed them on account of the infection issues. Good on ya, SoCal BAs.