Flat beer diagnosis

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  1. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    My 5th brew was a Nut Brown Ale NB extract recipe, using WLP 013 London Ale yeast with a 1.3L starter. I believe that everything went well with OG of 1.045 and FG at 1.009 at 10 and 14 days. Yeast seemed to drop as expected, although there were a few floating clumps when I bottled. I used 3.3 oz table sugar for priming, using NBs calculator. Racked onto sugar in BB. Beer is almost completely flat 16 days later with minimal carbonation.
    My question: is this likely a mistake with priming sugar measurement? My other brews so far have had acceptable carbonation. Thanks for any insight.
     
  2. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    Also: did not cold crash, boiled priming sugar as usual, and have opened multiple bottles that appear properly capped. Thanks.
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    What temperature have the bottles been sitting at?
     
  4. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    This was a 5 gallon batch? 3oz of sugar should have provided at least a little bit of carbonation in this time. When you say "minimal carbonation" what do you mean? Are there signs (bubbles) or not? What temp have you kept the bottles at?

    You may just need more time, but you can try to rouse the yeast and also move to a warmer location.
     
  5. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    No. If you're talking 5 gallons, the addition of 3.3 oz of table sugar should give you ~2.1 volumes of carbonation.

    The only way you would not have carbonation is:
    1. Your yeast are dormant/dead.
    2. Your storage temp was too low
    3. Your sugar was defective :grimacing:
    4. You didn't give it enough time
    5. Leaky caps let all the pressure out
    6. Some combination of the above.
    What temp do you have them stored? When you say minimal carbonation, do you get any sign of "psfft" when you pop a cap?

    My suggestion is to raise the temp to mid-hi 70s, give the bottles a good shake, and wait another 1-2 weeks.
     
  6. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    It was a 4.5g batch, bottles in closet at 68 degrees the whole time.
     
  7. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    Thanks for the comments. There are a few bubbles and a soft sound when uncapping but quickly completely flat. I'll shake some and move to a warmer place.
     
  8. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    That's very odd, I've found 013 to be a very quickly attenuating yeast. How well was the sugar mixed into the batch?
     
  9. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    The sugar was in 2 cups boiled water, cooled and poured into bucket. I racked onto the sugar with an auto siphon.
    Maybe I need to find someone close by with a keg...
     
  10. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    I racked onto the sugar water and forgot to stir it one time. Had a very uneven level of carbonation across the batch. Try some other bottles.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Did you stir the sugar water and beer?

    Cheers!
     
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  12. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    I did not stir it. Just put the end of the siphon on the bottom side of the bucket to create a gentle whirlpool during racking. This seemed to have worked with my other 3 batches. Will gently stir from now on-see,s like a good idea.
     
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  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Always a good idea. :slight_smile: I suspect that some of your bottles are fully carb right now, soon to be over-carbed. As soon as you detect this, chill all of them to stop the fermentation if you have any real gushers.
     
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  14. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    No sloshing. :slight_smile: Maybe bring your bottles to a warm room in your house. 75F for a week would be ideal. If your beers remain flat, I'd point a finger at yeast. You may have to add some extra yeast to each bottle to get the job done.
     
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  15. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    Thanks everybody. Lesson learned. I'm planning on stirring my future batches without sloshing.
    I moved the probably flat bottles to a warmer spot. Mostly for curiosity (and to possibly make the beer more drinkable), I'm planning on adding a few granules of leftover dry Nottingham to some bombers and seeing what happens (assuming the carb doesn't change).
     
  16. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    I bottled a Imperial Stout that sat in primary for 4 weeks and secondary for 2 more. Thought the yeast would not be viable to carbonate. First couple bottles after 2 weeks in bottle seemed to prove that point. Decided to move the remaining to a warmer part of my house (closet in bedroom) and they carbed quickly.
     
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  17. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I always give it a gentle stir, but haven't had problems with it mixing unevenly when I just rack my beer onto the priming sugar either. Stirring it in is more of an insurance thing, but you should have carbonation by now. Another thing I'll do is tip the bottles upside down to get the yeast that has settled back into suspension for a bit. That, and like everyone else has been saying – put them some place warmer. Good luck! Hope it all works out
     
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  18. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    Honestly, I've never stirred my batches when racking to bottling. I put the priming liquid (boiled sugar water) in, and rack on top. I do just as the OP does, angle the output of the hose to create a whirlpool, and have never had issues.
     
  19. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    I appreciated everyone's suggestions. To follow up, I moved the bottles from 68 to a 73 degree room and swirled them a bit. Waited 10 days. Chilled one this morning and just opened. Not bad! A bit under-carbed, but passable for the style.
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    Thanks again for the help. I'll be stirring my priming sugar today (just to be sure) :wink:.
     
  20. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    You will probably end up with a little more carb than you had in this one if you leave it in the fridge for a couple of days at least. It's my understanding that more of the CO2 will be absorbed into the beer from the headspace as the beer sits chilled.
     
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