Readily available bocks?

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  1. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    just finishing off my last yuengling bock and am wondering about any readily available Bocks as this is my one and only of the style so far and would like to see more?
     
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  2. bleakies

    bleakies Maven (1,355) Apr 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    We're just leaving its season, but I was really digging the Troegs Cultivator this year.
     
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  3. schramlo

    schramlo Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2014 Michigan

    Weihenstephaner - Vitus, Korbinian
    Shiner - Bock
    Genesee - Bock
    Ayinger Celebrator - Dopplebock
     
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  4. qchic

    qchic Maven (1,303) Jul 6, 2004 Maryland

    Celebrator initially came to mind, but come to think of it, I haven't noticed it at shops lately. Of course, I haven't been looking for it, but I remember seeing the bottles with the plastic goat hanging on them.

    There's also Troegs Troegenator (doppelbock, year round) and Stoudt's Smooth Hoperator (maibock, seasonal). Leave it to Pennsylvania to generate some German styles!
     
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  5. DrumKid003

    DrumKid003 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2013 Oklahoma

    Paulaner Salvator
    Spaten Optimaor
    Ayinger Celebrator
    Kulmbacher EKU 28

    These are all Doppelbocks and are probably better during the fall or winter, but even on a cool evening in the spring they're damn good.
     
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  6. stoutmasterjames

    stoutmasterjames Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2010 Maryland

    Troegenator by Troeg's. Great Doppelbock.

    I'm waiting for a Texan to chime in with their (surprise!) favorite bock.
     
  7. tjumfrid

    tjumfrid Initiate (0) Jun 15, 2013 Arizona

    Dead Guy Ale by Rogue is pretty good. It's classified as a Maibock/ Hellesbock
     
  8. BeerBob

    BeerBob Initiate (0) May 30, 2002 Nebraska

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  9. Pantalones

    Pantalones Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Virginia

    Seems like there's a lot more doppelbocks around than regular-bocks. That seems a bit odd to me -- comparing to how pretty much everyone makes an IPA, but usually they also make a "regular pale ale," not just the IPA. Same with imperial stout and regular stout/porter -- I'm sure there's some exceptions, but generally from what I've seen if a brewery makes the "bigger" version they also make at least one of the "smaller" versions too.

    I wonder why bocks seem like the exception to that trend?
     
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  10. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    More bang for the buck. Doppel's are bigger abv and often darker and often have a richer flavor. If a brewery puts out a Doppel and a Bock it would tie up the extra ferment vessel and bright tank for a just over a month; the time they could use to crank out 2 batches of IPA or Pale Ale.
     
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  11. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Shiner is definitely going to be closer to what the OP is looking for. Those beers are American-style bocks, which are pretty much AALs with caramel added for a bit of heft.

    I think the German ones are categorically better, but may come across as more intensely malty to someone expecting a Yuengling Bock; Doppelbocks especially so. Spaten is an excellent and reliable example, though.

    I've been saying this for years- we definitely need more Traditional Bocks. I bet doppelbocks are easier to make, too, as well as 'come across' as more impressive- but in terms of a beer for drinking a few of in a setting, straight bocks are right in the wheelhouse. The only really good example I see (aside from a rauchbier at bock strength) is Einbecker's Ur-Bock.
     
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  12. fx20736

    fx20736 Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2009 New York

    Einbecker Dunkel Ur-Bock
     
  13. BeerVikingSailor

    BeerVikingSailor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,667) Nov 19, 2009 Ohio
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    Love Bocks and Doppelbocks and Maibocks / Hellesbocks

    Anchor made a great one, but sadly, discontinued it in favor of a spring Saison (this is last year for Yuengling bock as well)

    Smuttynose Smutanator
    Bell's Consecrator
    Abita Andygator
    Shiner Bock
    All the German ones listed above....especially Ayinger Celebrator, amazing beer!
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    @TongoRad posted: “Shiner is definitely going to be closer to what the OP is looking for. Those beers are American-style bocks, which are pretty much AALs with caramel added for a bit of heft.”

    The term I use for beers like American-style bocks is AAAL (American Amber Adjunct Lager). If @Urk1127 is looking for a beer along the lines of Yuengling Bock then Shiner Bock is a good year round choice. My personal favorite AAAL is Genny Bock but that beer is a seasonal beer (Winter/Spring). There still may be some Genny Bock around now?

    Cheers!
     
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  15. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
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    Wasatch Devastator
    Full Sail Bock

    --- Two of my favorites. The later can always be found at a great price point in season to boot!
     
  16. UrbanCaveman

    UrbanCaveman Pooh-Bah (1,866) Sep 30, 2014 Ohio
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    Let me answer your question with a question: traditional bock, American bock, doppelbock, eisbock, maibock, weizenbock, dunkler bock?

    For a "traditional", I've had some friends I trust classify Pretty Things Lovely St. Winefride as more bock than euro dark lager (I can't find it here to verify that purely for scientific purposes, but you're much closer to Massachusetts than I). Other than that, for somewhat readily available, go with the Kulmbacher.

    For American, go with what the other folks are recommending in the Shiner - Genessee range.

    For a doppelbock, the top tier tends to be Celebrator and Korbinian, with the Andechs Doppelbock Dunkel thrown in by a fair number of folks. There are hordes of others, but those three are usually the most recommended and are generally readily available.

    For an eisbock, you're probably looking at only the Schneider Aventinus Weizen-Eisbock, Hoffstettner Granitbock Ice, and Kulmbacher Reichelbrau Eisbock as being even remotely findable. You'e also looking at 8%+ on ABV (usually double digits), and some seriously concentrated malt flavors. They're sort of like the quadrupels of the bock world.

    For a maibock, Rogue Dead Guy is one in name only - it shares little in common with other maibocks. Hofbrau and Einbecker are decent options that should be fairly available, though the Hofbrau is definitely seasonal. I'm not entirely sure about the Einbecker.

    Weizenbock is basically "imperial hefeweizen", so you'll get estery flavors in there like banana, clove, bubblegum, and so forth. Weihenstephaner Vitus and Schneider Tap 6 Aventinus generally slug it out for the title of Best Weizenbock Ever depending on who you ask, and both are usually available.

    Dunkler bocks are a bit rare to find in the US, so much so that I don't have any to recommend, really.

    Just my take. Others' opinions may vary. Significantly.
     
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  17. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Can we put together some sort of petition that will stop Rogue from calling Dead Guy a Maibock? :astonished:
     
  18. WesMantooth

    WesMantooth Grand Pooh-Bah (4,844) Jan 8, 2014 Ohio
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    These 2 posts pretty much summarize it all. If you like Yuengling, you will probably like Shiner and Genessee. All very drinkable, but all very Americanized versions. Unfortunately there are not many readilly available Bocks, even Doppels really. Also, you may not enjoy every style of bock outside of traditional and doppel. Weizen, Eis, and Maibocks are all very unique beers.
     
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  19. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Stick with the German examples, is my advice.

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  20. WesMantooth

    WesMantooth Grand Pooh-Bah (4,844) Jan 8, 2014 Ohio
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    Yeah. I actually like Dead Guy, but I don't consider it a Maibock. As far as I am concerned, Shiner is not far behind.
     
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