Old or expired beer

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Urk1127, Apr 28, 2015.

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Avoid After

  1. 2 weeks

    3 vote(s)
    1.7%
  2. 4 weeks

    34 vote(s)
    19.1%
  3. 6 weeks

    34 vote(s)
    19.1%
  4. 8 weeks

    40 vote(s)
    22.5%
  5. I'll give it a go if the price is right

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  1. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Speaking of, after the joy of the Dark Brut, I recently grabbed a Malheur 10 with a best by date of... I don't know... 2011?
    Codes :astonished:. I'm not losing sleep over it.
     
  2. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    Dude 10 and 12 are superior with excessive age on them. 12 was still hoppy even after my last 2010 bottle. They are hard to read my latest bottle of 12 read something like this LE:13 or something on that lines.
     
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  3. rclark

    rclark Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2015

    Probably the safest choice, though. I'm sure you've tasted well-expired beer before and it's... Not pleasant.
     
  4. puboflyons

    puboflyons Grand Pooh-Bah (4,299) Jul 26, 2008 New Hampshire
    Pooh-Bah

    I buy old beer sometimes because in my area some stores knock down the prices and put them on a clearance rack. I picked up a Merry Mischief today for $2.49 as an example.
     
  5. Greywulfken

    Greywulfken Grand Pooh-Bah (5,815) Aug 25, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I've become more judicious than I used to be - I'll pass up a beer that's past it's prime, regardless of my "want" level.
    It's not fair to me or the beer.
     
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  6. Tylertut

    Tylertut Initiate (0) Oct 20, 2014 Ohio

    I've bought some Mikkeller sours that had a couple years on them and A Widmer Brothers SXNW Strong Ale that had about 4 years on it from a bottle shop that I frequent.

    I wasn't crazy about the sours and have yet to try to strong ale but have high hopes.

    If I come across a stout though I'll pick it up in an instant. I'm a gambler. I love a game of chance.
     
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  7. B-Ho

    B-Ho Aspirant (233) Feb 16, 2015 Minnesota

    We had a bottle of Mikkeller/Brewdog's "I Hardcore You" that had been sitting on the shelf of our bar, in the light, for years. Then sat in an office for months. Then I thought, why not? Put it in the cooler for a week and broke it out for a manager meeting just to see what a "bad beer" would taste like. Definitely not an IIPA anymore. Some floaties could be seen. The smell reminded me of a barleywine - sweet, alcohol-y, not much hop obviously. The taste was sorta barleywiney too. I don't know. It was a cool experiment. We knew the outcome wouldn't be that great, but at least I know now.
     
  8. hophugger

    hophugger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,434) Mar 5, 2014 Virginia
    Pooh-Bah

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    Picked this one up today, not knowing anything about it, and........

    Then I poured it...
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    That doesn't look good......

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    And now I know why............
     
  9. crazyjoedivola

    crazyjoedivola Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Colorado

    Went to my bottle shop, where I have the selection pretty well memorized, and I saw SN estate homegrown in the bomber door. I mistook it for Southern Hemisphere, or some other beer that would be new, and bought it. Got it home and realized it's from 2014. Checked the profile for the beer and there are several ratings from the last few weeks.

    I guess my question is how can a beer that is six months old appear "new" on the shelf? Did it date out at some other store and the distributor dumped it at my shop?
     
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  10. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    The distributor told the store I'll hook you up with an extra case of hoptimum if you can take this old estate ale off my hands and pawn it off on an unsuspecting customer. Looks like it worked.
     
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  11. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
    In Memoriam

    Well... Sometimes cases of beer take a while to get from distributor to retailer. So it's also possible it could have been sitting in the warehouse for months, or the back room of your shop. In any event you've learned a couple of useful lthings.

    The first is that your shop isn't very careful about bottle dates and about not selling you old beer. They accepted delivery on it whenever they got it and could have refused to buy it up front and/or they could have pulled it from the shelf when they saw it was out of code. The other is that there is are reasons why some of us don't buy undated beer and make a habit of checking dates before purchase.
     
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  12. Smokingtony

    Smokingtony Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Texas

    As someone who spends more than they are comfortable with admitting on craft beer, I always compare prices. As someone who drinks more craft beer than they are comfortable with admitting, I also always compare freshness. Anyway, I recently saw sixers of Dale's @ 6.99 and with a canning date of 8 weeks prior. I was a little skeptic, but I'm used to seeing Dale's at 8.99 or 9.99, so I went for it, and regretted it. This was not the Dale's I've come to respect. It was dull. I know that malt forward beers like stouts age more gracefully, but what do you think is a good rule of thumb, time wise, to avoid pale ales and IPAs after they have been packaged?
     
  13. FUNKPhD

    FUNKPhD Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2010 Texas

    I only drink Dale's on tap, and only go to solid, up to date places that serve it. If I do drink it out of a can, I don't look at the canned on date, but rather the slogan on the bottom. Dale's is always awesome.

    To answer your question, best always.
     
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  14. Pantalones

    Pantalones Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Virginia

    8 weeks isn't even quite two months, so unless I had reason to believe that the particular beer I was considering buying dropped off insanely, abnormally fast I would definitely buy an IPA or pale ale of that age, especially if the price was 2 or 3 dollars below normal.

    Heck, most of the full-price hoppy beers I've had were in the range of 2 to 3 months old. They'd been kept refrigerated most (if not all) of the time they'd been on the shelves, so that probably helped them not "age" so much... but still, if 2 or 3 month old beer is considered "old" then I haven't had very much "young" beer. I guess maybe some beers fall off much faster than others, even within the IPA/pale ale/etc. styles?
     
  15. Rollzroyce21

    Rollzroyce21 Pooh-Bah (2,211) Oct 24, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    In the near future, we will have technology that will allow gauges installed on beer bottles that will accurately measure the hop freshness and oxidation of its contents at any given time. These gauges will be displayed as countdown timers, where once reaching zero, the labels will turn into BMC labels.

    PtE's gauges will be set starting at the 23rd hour.

    Science.
     
  16. Blueapollo420

    Blueapollo420 Initiate (0) Nov 9, 2014 Vermont

    Um 3 months is usually when I start looking for a fresher ipa. But in vt most good local IPAs hit the store and are there for less than a day do it's not really a huge concern.
     
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  17. Satchboogie

    Satchboogie Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2010 Belgium
    Trader

    It really depends on the beer. Newer IPAs/APA that use New Zealand hops and Citra/etc tend to fall off much faster than others, although that still depends. The myth that Pliny falls off a cliff after 5 weeks is TRUE. There are enough IPAs/APAs on the market now that I won't buy anything past 4-5 weeks. If I can't find anything that fresh, I'll walk out empty handed (or buy another style). I'm not wasting money on old beer that I don't want to drink in the first place.
     
  18. bungletrpg

    bungletrpg Zealot (622) Sep 3, 2014 California
    Trader

    It depends. I've had 5 month old Sierra Nevada Pale Ale that was just as good.
     
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  19. captaincoffee

    captaincoffee Pooh-Bah (2,218) Jul 10, 2011 Virginia
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    2, 4, 6, and 8 weeks seem like incredibly short periods. Maybe 3 months? Unless I know a beer is famous for dropping off very quickly, I can't imagine worrying about 4 vs 6 weeks.
     
  20. ZombieHead

    ZombieHead Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2014 Illinois

    I grabbed a 12pk of SN pale ale a couple days ago with OP's exact thought in mind (to save a little bit money on my beer) plus i thought for $13.99 it was a good price. Got home to realize it was all bottled 3 months prior. I cracked one to see how they held up and it was terrible, just a mess of bitterness and off-flavors. I tried a few more looking to catch a slight buzz off the beer I had just bought and they were all difficult to put down. On a side note though, I wonder who is more so to blaim for these beers expiring so quickly... the brewers who make fast perishing beers or the distributors and retailers that have to maintain the cases of beer at ideal temperatures in order to preserve the true flavor..?
     
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