Question about Steam Beer

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  1. Hodgson

    Hodgson Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2014 Canada (ON)

    I was viewing recently a number of videos on youtube about The Old Ship Saloon, an old bar in San Francisco on Pacific Blvd, the part that used to be known as Barbary Coast. I always liked this place as the steam beer seemed the best in the city - always clean and very fresh. Plus, it is built on the remains of an 1800's ship, the Arkansas, which grounded there (the area later was filled in). A hole was cut in the side and a bar was installed in the foc'sle but finally a building replaced the boat although the keel is said to be below the grade. It doesn't offer great beer selection, just a few craft drafts but the Anchor Steam is exemplary there plus I just like the feel of the place.

    Anyway, in one of the vids, a photo of the place from before WW I clearly shows a sign, "Broadway Steam Beer, 5 cents a glass". I googled Broadway Brewery and this tidbit came up:

    http://www.brewerygems.com/broadway.htm

    What surprised me was the statement as quoted from the old brewer's review journal that the beer had a similar effect to weiss beer. Clearly the high carbonation of both was one reason but the taste is also described as "sharp" and as I read the brief description, I'm wondering what that possibly could have meant. Since Bavarian weisse of course has a wheat content, and generally would not have been sour (like some other wheat-based beers), I'm wondering if perhaps sharp meant, high adjunct. Steam beer was an inexpensive beer and possibly used a higher corn content than a high-class lager. In this period, genuine, cold-aged lager was the more expensive beer and possibly all-malt or at least made with minimal adjunct.

    Any ideas? I wouldn't call Anchor Steam sharp in any sense.
     
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  2. Hodgson

    Hodgson Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2014 Canada (ON)

    I guess too the "weiss" mentioned might have been Berlin-style, if so it would have a lactic tang, sour to the average palate. (Both types of wheat beer, South German weizen more properly called and the Berlin type were made at the time in America).

    I don't think high adjunct is really the answer since most American lager by then used about 1/3rd adjunct.

    Perhaps much of the steam beer around was sourish, then.
     
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  3. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    When US brewers of the time referred to domestic "Weiss" beers, they were talking about a US style of beer closer to Berliner Weisse rather than the weisse beers of Bavaria. The US weiss beer brewers, which almost always sold only a bottled product, were essentially a smaller, third segment of US brewing industry - after Ale and Lager Brewers. According to Wehl and Henius, apparently many US weiss beers used corn, rather than or in addition to wheat, as an adjunct.

    (Sadly, most of the general reference material of the late 19th century refers to weiss breweries only in reference to their conflict with tax regulators. US beer at the time was taxed via actual stamps on barrels and kegs. Beer for bottling was removed from taxed barrels, but since weiss beer was never kegged, paying the tax was always problematic).

    As for the Steam Beer of the Broadway brewery being described as "sharp" - I'd assume they were referring to high level of carbonation (commonly called "carbonic acid" at the time, after all). Despite various theories about the origin of the term "steam beer", most sources seem to agree that it referred to the very high level of carbonation from being kraeusened in the keg. The description of the steam beer brewing method even calls it "steam" in 100 Years of Brewing:

    Most pre-Pro steam beer did use corn as an adjunct - even Anchor's was adjunct-brewed until Maytag reformulated it after purchasing the brewery.
     
  4. Hodgson

    Hodgson Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2014 Canada (ON)

    That's very interesting, thanks. It suggests to me though a good part of that pre-WW I steam beer was sourish - the refreshing description kind of ties into that too IMO. Indeed sour batches was a regular problem for Maytag due as he viewed it to the primitive conditions the brewery was in when he bought it. He has recounted the beer was sometimes off in this sense into the early 70's until the problem was finally licked. If many of the steam breweries in their heyday were operating under similar conditions, one would think their beer would be no different.
     
  5. Hodgson

    Hodgson Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2014 Canada (ON)

    Food for thought here too because the writer's description of the beer, both taste and color, seems close to the early 1900's description of steam beer in the brewer's review. In fact, this modern writer on Dampfbier even uses the term tart and considers the beer (Dampfbier) somewhat analogous to a "dunkelweisse". It makes me think perhaps Dampfbier really does lie at the origin of the steam beer style.

    http://blog.beerviking.net/2013/03/dampfbier-original-steam-beer.html
     
  6. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Perhaps this will add some thought:
    http://www.anchorbrewing.com/blog/brewing-insights-open-fermentation/

    And a little quote in addition:
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    For those interested in the history of Steam Beer there is an interesting article written by Roger Bergen entitled “California Steaming” that was originally published in Brewing Techniques (see link below).

    Roger was of the opinion that Steam Beer of the past was brewed using:

    · “The malt would have been primarily made from Bay Brewing barley, a unique six-row variety then widely grown in California (1).”

    · “Either "roasted malts," presumably caramel and/or black malts, or caramel coloring were used.”

    · “The use of adjuncts was probably uncommon.”

    · “The hops used would have been almost exclusively California hops, primarily from the Russian River growing area…”

    · Lager yeast fermented at warmer temperatures

    Below is more detail on why he had the opinion that Steam Beer was an all-malt beer:

    “The use of adjuncts was probably uncommon. Wahl and Henius were great advocates of adjunct brewing, which they felt was the key to chill-stable bottled beer (the adjuncts dilute the protein and tannin content). At the time, however, adjunct brewing was only about 30 years old, and most Eastern and Midwestern brews for local draft consumption were still all-malt. We have no reason to believe that conditions were any different in San Francisco in this regard, and brewhouses designed for raw adjunct use are on the whole more expensive and complex than the relatively simple plant most steam beer brewers would have possessed.”

    To brew an adjunct beer a brewhouse would require a cereal cooker in addition to the other equipment to brew malt beer. Needless to say but the addition of a cereal cooker adds cost to the brewery:

    · Capital to purchase the cereal cooker

    · ‘Extra’ space in the brewery to accommodate the cereal cooker

    · On-going costs for the energy costs of operating the cereal cooker

    · Etc.

    Cheers!

    http://morebeer.com/brewingtechniques/library/styles/2_1style.html
     
  8. LordCrabapple

    LordCrabapple Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2006 England

    I'm sipping an Anchor Steam Beer. A really nice beer.
     
  9. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Good points. I think the necessity for brewers historically to brew with adjuncts in the US, due to the dominance of 6 row barley varieties, has been exaggerated in the process of rehabilitating the image of adjunct use in American beer. In explaining its use in beer from the 19th century and onward some have become of the belief, it seems, that it was impossible to brew beer with 6-row only. A more complete picture would include both all-malt six-row brewing, all malt 2-row brewing (depending on the local growing conditions), and 6 row combined with adjunct brewing, with the dominance of the latter corresponding with the growth in popularity of pale beers (and pale bottled beers especially).
     
  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    And that air is cool, and sterile filtered I would think. Many breweries ferment in clean rooms with filtered air.
    "Since all of our fermenters are open to the air, we have to maintain a very high standard of industrial hygiene in our brewery. Ales and lagers employ different yeasts and are fermented in separate enclosed rooms that are ventilated with filtered air. After each brew is finished, the fermenter is thoroughly cleaned and sanitized before the next cycle. "
     
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  11. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Yes. I was providing the link in case that shed any light on the steam beer brewing of the past as opposed to Anchor's setup.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Patrik, I have a differing view here.

    I think it is entirely possible (probable) that the market for bottled beer drove the use of adjuncts. In other words some breweries made a decision to also provide their beers in bottled form. With bottled beer there was a desire to produce a clearer beer and that is where adjuncts were helpful. Once the brewery made the investment to incorporate cereal cookers in the brewhouse then this was available for the production of all of their beers: bottled and draft.

    From my perspective it came down to a business decision to purchase a cereal cooker to produce more appealing product (i.e., clearer beer). Early on some breweries made this investment and some breweries did not choose to make this investment. Over time the overall market demand for clearer beers would have compelled more and more breweries to make the investment of a cereal cooker to meet market demands.

    Cheers!
     
  13. Hodgson

    Hodgson Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2014 Canada (ON)

    I don't think adjunct use, to whatever extent it occurred, was the connection to "weiss". I think it was carbonation certainly, but also something else. The two sentences in the brewers' review extract each deal with a separate point IMO. So what was the common taste? It was either a lactic/acetic taste, or possibly the banana-clove taste associated with high fermentation temperatures. Or both. Given that shallow fermenting pans would bring the temperature down though to something under the traditional top-fermentation range - plus lager yeasts would tend not to produce that taste (even many ale yeasts don't) - I'd think the lactic/acetic taste may be the answer especially if, as Jess said, the Berliner type was the main one made in wheat beer brewing before Volstead.

    So where is the link to Dampfbier? Well, possibly there isn't one and the steam word in both is a coincidence. Its yeast is a top yeast, its fermentation temperature is 15-20 degrees F higher than steam beer fermentation. It is all-barley malt, but that alone cannot form any taste connection to an all-malt or malt and adjunct steam brew.

    I think adjunct probably was sometimes used in steam brewing, sometimes not. Some brewers would have offered likely a higher grade, as exists in anything, sans adjunct (setting aside clarity but California six row - an old Spanish barley type originally - was low protein anyway..). The brewing review mentions moderate clarity so maybe this means steam beer typically was all-malt. I know Anchor in the 40's-60's at least used adjunct. (How Maytag could ditch this but adopt pasteurization is something I'll never get, but he seems to have been significanly challenged with souring until pasteurization was adopted - today with advances in brewing, that wouldn't be necessary surely, or so it must be if one looks at the great bulk of the craft brewers).
     
  14. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Well I think we view the impetus for the use of adjuncts the same way, of bottled beers driving the use of adjuncts, but the timeline here leaves a pretty long stretch of time when bottled beer was not available and later when it was only getting off the ground. It seems to me that bottled beer presented the brewers with an even greater challenge of providing a clear beer than draft beer. With draft beer brewers could opt for long storage times at cool temperatures, they could use clearing agents like isinglass or Irish moss, beechwood chips in the storage casks (depending on the heritage of the brewer of course) etc., all in an effort to put out a clear beer which would stay clear for an acceptable amount of time until it was consumed. It seems to me as if the modern day relationship of draft to bottled beer visavi freshness also applied to back then, only the shelf life of bottled beer was alot closer to that of draft beer. In order to aid the shelf life and stability of bottled beer, adjuncts provided a great help. But it is my understanding that for all intents and purposes, 6 row barley could serve its purpose in providing an acceptably clear beer which would remain clear for an acceptably long enough period of time, for its time, even if 2-row was superior in this respect.
     
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  15. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    I started drinking Anchor Steam in 1972 and I clearly remember that quite often the beer was cloudy and had quite a "bite" compared to the AAL's available then. I don't recall it as sour, but far more bitter than the others.
     
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  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe @jesskidden can provide some input here?

    In the late 1800's to early 1900's what was the principle serving vessel for draft beer at American bars/saloons? Were they clear glasses and were the consumers demanding of clear beers served on draft? Was there a differing expectation for consumers of bottled beers? Would those customers open those bottled beer and pour them in glasses and subsequently have an expectation of a non-hazy beer?

    At what point in American beer history was there an expectation that both draft and bottled beer be clear vs. hazy?

    Cheers!
     
  17. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Your post reminded me of a passage from Dave Miller's Complete Handbook of Home Brewing (1988), which I will quote just to show how far we've come. Fwiw, he seems to agree with you that the bitterness really made Anchor Steam stand out:
    " An interesting relative of IPA is the American west coast specialty known as steam beer. It is made by a unique fermentation system using lager yeast, but blind tastings have repeatedly shown that it is a dead ringer for an IPA, with the same deep amber color, strong note of caramel, and strong hop bitterness and aroma. I have given a recipe for an all-malt IPA which, if fermented with lager yeast, can be called a steam beer."

    Anchor seems to have made the first IPL as well :slight_smile:.
     
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  18. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Holy cow. If anyone here claimed Anchor Steam was a dead ringer for an IPA, he/she would be eaten alive. Things are certainly not set in stone.
     
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  19. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Back then something like Bass would be what he was comparing it to, especially if you consider the description about the color and caramel presence; hopping rates, too, in a sense. Perhaps the 'dumbed down' Ballantine IPA as well.

    But you are correct, of course- we, as a group, are becoming overly parochial with how we see IPAs as being strictly a modern American style these days.
     
  20. deanzaZZR

    deanzaZZR Maven (1,347) Jan 8, 2015 California

    Just finished a Brotherhood Steam variation from Anchor that a friend gave me. It's a nice, brighter twist Anchor Steam.
     
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