could a person make an eisbock at home with commercially available beer?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by cyrushire, May 31, 2015.

Tags:
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. cyrushire

    cyrushire Initiate (0) May 25, 2012 Florida

    Would it be possible for an individual to freeze and scrape the water from their preferred beer in their own home and if so what would the process be like?
     
    guinness77 and BeerBob like this.
  2. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    It would be pretty cool to take a few Celebrators and see if you can push them into Eisbock-ish range.
    Not sure how good it would be but:
    1. get some clean sanitized gallon jugs.
    2. Pour your Doppelbock of choice in without knocking out all the carbonation.
    3. Fill jug to somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4th full you will want some headspace for the ice to form.
    4. seal the jugs with clean and sanitized cap.
    5. chill from 32° to 28° slowly over a few days until ice forms over the beer.
    6. Depending on how long and how thick the ice cap is will theoretically will increase the ABV.
    7. Now the tricky part, getting the beer free from the ice. Cut excess plastic away and chip ice out. or jab a sanitized chipping implement to make a hole to pour unfrozen beer from.
    8. enjoy maybe:confused:
    9. let us know.
     
    Roguer, MUTINY, WesMantooth and 3 others like this.
  3. cyrushire

    cyrushire Initiate (0) May 25, 2012 Florida

    That sounds like a lot of work. Im going to need to buy a chest freezer. Could it be done in the bottle by pouring off a little and recapping? Also has anyone done anything like this?
     
  4. BeerBob

    BeerBob Initiate (0) May 30, 2002 Nebraska

    Or putting the cans or bottles (jugs) upside down in the freezer... and using your imagination for the rest of the process.
     
    machalel and cyrushire like this.
  5. silverking

    silverking Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2012 Florida

    Technically, yes. It wouldn't be practical though as @Relik said. Plus, after all of the freezing and skimming/scraping, you would have to carbonate the beer again. So another fermentation or keg it and pressurize it with CO2. Even after all of that, it may not even taste good. Just buy an eisbock if you have a taste for one.
     
    cyrushire and JrGtr like this.
  6. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    well you know what happens when you freeze liquid in glass.
    And the extra headspace needed to prevent loss of beer and vessel rupture.
    Either way its gonna take up more beer than you will get in return.
    Might just be easier on the wallet to keep buying Eisbocks already done.
     
    cyrushire likes this.
  7. cyrushire

    cyrushire Initiate (0) May 25, 2012 Florida

    Im more just curios than anything. I dont actually intended on doing it. If i do im making some bootleg HOD Dave though.
     
  8. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Stick the frozen bottle upside-down in a glass. As it melts, the remaining ice will float and remain inside the bottle, and the 'runoff' will be your icebock. Check it out:
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...u-drinking-now-420.137856/page-8#post-1988344
     
  9. guinness77

    guinness77 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,554) Jan 6, 2014 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    That's really interesting. In your post from back then you seem to be a big fan of the taste but how was the carbonation, how many ounces do you think you ended up with (I'm guessing not whole 12oz) and how long was the entire process from popping the top to your last sip? I'm guessing it has to be pretty similar to a cold cask beer?

    My biggest question, though (sorry about my little game of 20 questions, hehe) I am familiar with the idea behind an Eisbock but how exactly does this melting process work? You have to drink the beer in the process of the thaw to get the full effect? Conceivably, you leave a beer in the freezer overnight, it freezes, it then thaws and you can drink it and there's relatively no change to the beer, maybe, at worst, the carbonation is off, but the taste and abv are both the same.

    OP, interesting thread!
     
    2beerdogs and cyrushire like this.
  10. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
    Pooh-Bah

    I do it fairly routinely with homebrew, and the results are generally still reasonably carbonated, and since you're bumping up the abv. by a good percentage. The less carbonation there is generally works out fine.
    It's not really any effort until you go and extract what you froze. So, here's what I do to get my eis on.
    Sanitize a plastic (tupperware) container that is several ounces larger than what you are pouring into it. It'll expand as it freezes, so make sure you have some headspace. COVER IT..
    Stick it in freezer for two days and account for the fact that alcohol has a lower freezing temp than water does. So, drop the temp to a negative one.
    Now for the fun part.
    Thawing it.
    If you want to go slow and low and are around most of the day to babysit it. Let it drip off. If you're impatient and want to kick out the jams.
    The quickest way I've found is to chisel the frozen beer into a mixing bowl and stick the shavings into a salad spinner. The centrifuging of the salad spinner leeches the alcohol away from the water. Do this until you reach a satisfactory level of whiteness from the ice. Pour into a bottle. Cap it, and stick it in your fridge for a day.
    Pull out, and enjoy.
    I've done it with some fairly lowly carbonated homebrews as well, and the carb levels in the eised versions of them still had some bite.
    Eising beer loses something like 40% of its volume. So if recall right. A bomber turns into like a 12oz bottle.
     
  11. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I wound up with about 6 oz. but you could let it go longer if you want. I figured as long as I was doing it I would do it up right. Carbonation was diminished, but the beer certainly wasn't flat by any means.

    The process works because water freezes before alcohol does, so you are in essence freeze-distilling, concentrating the alcohol and flavor when the water-ice is removed. In this particular method the whole thing is frozen, but the alcohol melts first and water melts last, so you are getting the same result.
     
    2beerdogs, guinness77 and cyrushire like this.
  12. Dandrewjohn

    Dandrewjohn Zealot (599) Apr 13, 2013 Texas

    How about starting out with a more carbonated style (I know, it's not a bock anymore). Has anyone tried this with, say, an IPA, or a lager? Just curious. If you start out with more carbonation, shouldn't you end up with more?
     
    cyrushire likes this.
  13. cyrushire

    cyrushire Initiate (0) May 25, 2012 Florida

    @TongoRad Did you take the cap off the Smoke and Dagger before you "accidentally" froze it? If the flavor is intensified, would it be possible to infuse something like a vanilla bean into the profile by putting it in before the freeze?
     
  14. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    I have done it with cider but not with beer. The carbonation is an issue as other people have remarked and it is a very good way to get a headache because it concentrates the fusil alcohols.
     
    cyrushire and lambpasty like this.
  15. lambpasty

    lambpasty Initiate (0) May 3, 2013 New Hampshire

    I think it would be interesting to try the above methods and then re-bottle with some bottling solution and see if that pumps it back to normal C02 levels, or even just a C02 tablet if you don't want to wait for the yeast to wake up. Now I'm intruiged.
     
    cyrushire likes this.
  16. Dandrewjohn

    Dandrewjohn Zealot (599) Apr 13, 2013 Texas

    Maybe your headache is from the concentrated ethyl alcohol...
     
  17. Dandrewjohn

    Dandrewjohn Zealot (599) Apr 13, 2013 Texas

    How about freezing a can upside down? Same thing? Or freezing a can right side up and then piercing the bottom of the can, like with an ice pick? What's to keep the can from bursting?
     
  18. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

  19. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I gotta try this.

    Hmmm Black Tuesday Eisbock.
     
  20. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I don't think that uncapping it would be a good idea because I bet you'd lose a lot more carbonation that way, unfortunately.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.