Am I a bad trader?

I totally agree. My suggestion was made somewhat facetiously and bred from my total and emphatic agreement with the post I originally quoted. It should be obvious to traders but unfortunately, some people just don't get it.

 

Correct I never accepted, but the sentiment of my post was to show how some may *abuse* the "hey you accepted" button

 

food for thought, your feedback queue is similar to your real life reputation. You take care of it and are sort of protective of it. The concept is very similar to the feedback on this forum. You take care of it and you are protective of it, because it will affect future trades.

 

I feel like as long as the other trader wasn't shafted out of any beer then there's really not much harm. Life happens and people may need to back out for any number of reasons. As long as no one wasted money on beer and shipping then no one was really hurt. Feelings and wasted time maybe? I don't think "Bad" feedback is warranted for being butthurt. Just agree to cancel the trade and re post your ISO/FT. This sounds like the definition of retaliatory feedback to me. Anyone who's ever sent beers and been screwed out of your end of the trade knows that a simple back out isn't that bad. Disappointing yes, but not the end of the world.

 

I tend to agree; while backing out is bad, it's not the end of the world. As long as money isn't wasted you move on.

 

I think is the exact reason why the "okay" option was created

 

Hey guys, I apologize in advance for typos as I'm on my phone.

I didn't post feedback immediately because I don't like to make rash decisions and I didn't want to post something that would sound angry, but I did want the fellow BA community to know to be aware. My comment might keep some people from trading with him, but likely not many IMO, based on me spelling out what happened and not calling him a thief by any means, because he is not.

I asked myself these questions about the trade and realized it was not fair to other friends and acquaintances of mine to have to go through the same thing.

1) based on this trade agreement and his actions, would I want to trade with him? NO
2) would I recommend any of my friends trade with him? NO
3) would I recommend any other BA trade with him? NO

Here is what happened...

1) I offer up trade on ISO/FT area
2) I get sent a message asking to trade for some of the beers I have for trade, we negotiate back and forth for a few days, then agree on a trade and push through the "trade" button. Shipping date is agreed upon about a week out.
3) A couple days before shipping, guy says he doesn't know if he can ship that day because of misc. expenses game up - ok fine no biggie. Stuff happens and I realize that. We were to push it back a week on shipping
4) Couple days later he changes 4 or 5 of the 12 bottles I was to be receiving and changes up what he is asking for. I again agreed, because I was still getting a mixture of what I wanted, but just getting less of certain kinds and a few more locals. I also went out and BOUGHT the additional beer that he wanted and re-packed the new stuff.
5) A day or two before shipping he texts me and says he's sorry but he doesn't want to go through with the trade because he wants to hold onto what he has. There was nothing crazy on either end, best thing was probably parabola, not some sacred bottle of KBBS or anything like that. I asked him what happens to the trade and he said "it just expires after 90 days" maybe that's in the rules, but otherwise I have no idea how one would know. He's also had 4-5 open trades sitting there for months, so I guarantee I'm not the first.

Dragging out a trade weeks and then eventually canceling after someone has spent money on beers they weren't planning to drink isn't cool. It can make you miss out on stuff you want, the IPAs I had were no longer fresh and I wasn't going to trade them to someone else. Other beers that I purchased became fantastic extras for others.

Sorry for offending people and taking so long to leave feedback, as I wanted to do what was right and not throw someone completely under the bus, but I did want others to know what happened so the same thing doesn't happen again.

Hopefully this is just a learning experience for him and others. He should have just in boxed me and I would've explained instead of putting the whole story out and I think he would understand my reasoning.

This in my mind was the best solution after pondering over it. Feel free to make your own judgement. If mods decide to delete the feedback, no big deal.

Cheers guys and drink some tasty beers!

 

@LA_Hue24 Just my opinion. You've been on here for over a year and a half with a dozen and a half trades under your belt. Hitting the "trade accept" button is nothing unfamiliar to you. You, like all of us, should know how it works. There's a reason why its there and there's a reason why the feedback is in place. Although no beers were "exchanged" its still an agreement that you accepted and backed out on multiple times for whatever reasons. Would you be OK with people accepting your trade request(s) and backing out on it? Or for that matter, what if (9) out of every (10) times this happened to everyone on the boards and all of a sudden became a "normal" thing to do? I may not know all the facts, but we are all grown adults here and the "trade request" button is the only thing in place to help police or force people to follow through with "their word". Its no different than a "hand shake" or "verbal". Its principle.

 

Still makes no sense to me. No one forces anyone to accept. There's no abuse at all.

 

This is why I always say " never buy beer exclusively for trading. Only buy if you want to drink it if you can't move it" If something like this happens I'd feel terrible that I wasted money.

 

You aren't the only one that has backed out of a trade but that doesn't make it ok.
Before I hit accept, I make sure that I really want to do this trade even if it sits "open" for a couple of days while I make my final decision. Once I hit accept then it's a done deal. I've even had a couple of times where I didn't do my due diligence before hitting accept & found out afterwards that I was "losing" the trade but I went through with the trade as accepted & agreed upon. I didn't re-negotiate, I didn't ask for more extras, I simply sent the beers that we agreed upon & hoped that the other person realized that they were getting the better end & would add in some more or better extras.

The problem is that you & some others feel like backing out is "normal" or "accepted" within the trading ranks but really, I believe, that you hold a minority opinion but it is becoming more of an issue

 

Sorry but after reading the post from the other side of the fence, you deserved the negative feedback, not neutral. A man is only as good as his word.

 

IF this was me...Mistakes can be corrected, fb can be edited. If I'd fucked up & rec'd bad fb I'd want to try & fix it, ie reach out, if possible, apologize & offer to complete the deal. I'd offer to include additional beers on my end to make up for the inconvenience & expense the other person incurred when I reneged on the original deal.

IF @LA_Hue24 reached out to @hustadaj with sincere apologies & an attempt to correct the situation I think there's an excellent chance this could be amicably settled between both parties. Both people seem to be reasonable adults. Both seem to regret this turned out as it did. The OP's other fb isn't just positive, it's strongly positive, which indicates that he ordinarily handles his trades well.

@LA_Hue24 I agree with you that it's disappointing see 94% rather than 100%. Is it worth it to you to work to make this right? Imo, that would mean that you honor the original trade & generously promise some additional beers to lend weight & sincerity to your apology.

Perhaps you don't care to do that, in which case you'll probably have to live with <100%. Negative fb is perhaps harsh in this case, but not (imo) unfair. It's honestly & clearly worded as to what transpired. Anyone reading it can make an informed choice about whether to trade with the OP.

 

Respect your opinions but going to disagree on this one. What is point of a feedback system if someone can "buy" their way out of bad feedback? Feedback system is in place to discourage bad behavior and protect future traders from bad traders.

OP has taken his medicine and not a crook like some other traders who have stolen beer. His feedback speaks for itself, lots of good feedback with one blemish.

Threads like this deter other traders who may cross the line from smooth trades to questionable behavior.

 

@jrnyc Correcting mistakes isn't buying your way out. Nor is there any guarantee that hustadaj would be amenable to letting him do so. The OP can only offer, if he chooses to do so. The other party can accept or reject any attempts to make it right.

 

I almost feel neutral shouldn't be an option. Feedback should be a yes or no answer to "if this person responded to your next ISO:FT, would you trade with them again?". Then a situation like this would get bad feedback I think, but no bad trader thread which would be reserved for outright theft.

 

but there is a difference between "I wouldn't bother negotiating with that guy again b/c he backed out of an agreement" and
"that guy stone cold ripped me off by sending me a case of Bud Light when it was supposed to be Loerik".

personally in this situation I would probably go with "neutral" and leave the explanation in comments.


@F2brewers I agree with this

"unless both parties agree to drop the trade, *some* feedback is warranted to explain the situation. If people aren't following the rules, the rest of the community (and the mods in particular) need to know so that we can take appropriate action."

but how does that jive with this from @kbuzz ?

"I had an agreed upon trade with a member here. He backed out, so I left appropriate feedback...then he pinged me with retaliatory feedback. So I reached out to the site admins about it...both feedbacks were expunged. Felt maybe his should have stuck because of him backing out, but because no beer was involved, it was decided that feedback wasn't appropriate from either side."

 

Maybe it was because the feedback I left was negative rather than neutral?