"I think you need to add"

I feel that this whole article was was started based on something that I wrote to be nice. That was all it was. I wrote a comment to be nice so that you can land the trade. If someone is offering something really low and don't know otherwise then its just advice so they can land the beer they want. Like discussed in the previous conversations in this forum. If we are trying to be a community and be nice we can give ppl advice to help them land the beer they want. It isn't meant to threadshit but apparently people are taking it that way. I will not do it anymore because it seems people are so sensitive about it. Friendly advice so the person can land that beer they want is something that I look at it as. People have done that on my Posts and I appreciate it because i didn't know I was off. If done in a friendly manner who cares? Just my thoughts. But again to each there own. People are welcome to give me advice on trades if they want to whenever they want.

 

That's happened to me too, even to affirm that the trade seemed right on the money.

 

Thanks @Todd . I just won't be doing it anymore. But I just appreciated it when done or me because I knew that I really wanted a beer I needed to add or was being over generous. I do the same for others never in a bad way. But i know some people in this forum got pissed at me for doing it. Even said Cheers happy 4th to be nice doing it etc but it is what it is. Guess rather be quiet and let people be than be helpful. Not a problem. I enjoy the beer community for helping me out when i first started out. So I like to do the same but again people don't always take it that way.

 

FWIW I often sift through the ISO FT thread looking only for replied to threads so I can see what others think of trade offers. Especially when the posted trade contains beers I have or want. It helps a lot to someone not as experienced as many who are making the comments. I do understand the heckling aspect and how it would be nice to have it reduced, but, honestly, from someone only limitedly experienced, it's pretty easy to notice the hecklers and distinguish between objective advice and biased commenting. Either way, all comments come off as helpful to me, whether I'm finding assholes I never want to talk to or finding advice for futures trades. I think those worried about the value of beers may be undermining the respect and knowledgeability of BAs with and seeking highly sought after beers. A good BA with 6 bottles of FO is waiting out the shit storm of hype and controversy to figure out how to respectfully post and respond to ISO FT posts. That's how I see it. Maybe I'm naive.

 

I hear ya, and I didn't take it personally or even care really. It just made me wonder why comments were allowed at all if those particular ones got deleted.

 

How about no more "you need to add bro" comments without actual help or you'll get a timeout or a warning? "You need to add" helps nobody unless there is more feedback. This just shits on the OP's thread and makes him/her look bad. If you have nothing helpful to say you don't need to say it... the crickets will do it for you.

 

This.

 

You & a couple of friends scored over 5% of the CCB El Cid bottles. Impressive. However, your friendly advice to the person making it available to trade could reasonably be construed as grabbing the opportunity to shill your .rar beers. Why didn't you follow your own advice & simply pm the OP?

The unnecessary hyping of beers to advance an agenda is every bit as bad as people commenting to undermine trades. Low bottle counts don't guarantee that beers are sought after or especially good.

@floridadrift you said that everyone chases CCB. That's close enough to true. Everyone chases Goose Island, Casey's, de Garde, Perennial, Side Project, TG, New Glarus, SARA, The Bruery, FW, Alpine, 3F, FFF, Westbrook etc. So? Again, you seem intent on hyping your regional brewery & its beers.

You claim your comments are benevolent & support potential trades. Inflating values is not desirable & it's 'kind' to only one side of the trade equation. Fair trades are reasonable from the perspective of both sides.

You also state that,

You're apparently threatening to heckle people that you've accused of heckling you. This is a mods nightmare. If you must willy nilly flag everyone who isn't posting to your exacting specifications so be it. But upon flagging them, why not let the mod do his job, rather than taking it on yourself to retaliate with harassing comments of your own?

If you're having trouble with your trades it's possible your offers aren't as good as you think they are. Whether or not they like comments within the ISO:FT threads, very few people have claimed that their trades were undermined by them. As I stated previously, I've proceeded with several trades despite negative remarks that were posted. Note too, I went with the original request & did not attempt to get more.

 

Yea you got the wrong guy then. Lol I didn't heckle at all or say anything about bottle size etc.

 

Reading this again makes me think the report button should be removed instead of comments.

 

99% of the people that reply with "constructive criticism" have a vested interest in the bottles mentioned in the ISO:FT... Its usually pretty obvious. Dudes just trying to influence the value of beers they have or want.

 

Last time this surfaced, a couple of weeks ago at most, I went and looked at the trade forums. I'd say for the most part, the ISOs have no comments or mostly helpful comments. I just took a quick look at the first page and 6 out of 30 had comments, all related to the trade offers, with 1 comment about "value". I really think this overall is a non-issue for most of the trades, it's only when you get into harder to get bottles that it can get out of hand.

Clearly the best solution is to let the OP decide whether or not comments are welcome. Since the technical feasibility is not desirable to allow for the OP to lock own threads, why not simply start a culture/rule where simply write No comments, please or Please reply via PM only or Comments not welcome or something along that line at the end of the post?

What I don't want to see is for others to decide for me what I can have in my thread, including a complete shut down of comments by default.

 

Fair enough, but what you didn't see were all of the comments that had been deleted by mods, but which had already had potential influence on the trades prior to their deletion.

 

Possibly some, but considering the offers, which most are reasonable as far as I can tell, I highly doubt that there were that many deleted replies. This can only be confirmed by mods, unless you're the one reporting everything and seeing them disappear .

 

@floridadrift Constructive conversations don't include telling a participant to shut up. And the points you keep hammering at appear to be all about you. You appear to want to protect the trade value of your bottles both by shutting down unflattering comments & by remarking favorably on how rare & delicious your beer is.

@floridadrift "ITS UNNECESSARY. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING?" Ummm. I disagree. Can you get that? Would I make my point better if I SHOUTED?

@floridadrift "What are you protecting?" The open exchange of information & opinions. Why does that bother you so?

@floridadrift "You only know I got 5% because I stated it, right? Right? RIGHT?" Uhhh, yes, you are right. I only know that you & a couple of your friends acquired over 5% of the CCB El Cid bottles because you stated that was so. Were you lying? IF so, to what point?

@floridadrift "Get fucking real dude and quit trying to be a forum bully." No biggie, but I'm female. It's a common mistake. Disagreement, including strong disagreement is not bullying. Should I ever decide to release my inner bitch on the forums I can guarantee I won't merely *try* to bully. I will most assuredly be a world class bully prior to receiving well deserved walking papers, ie a perma ban. The likelihood of me doing that is essentially non-existent. I'm just too damned arrogant to be amused by others' mewlings & writhings.

Ftr, I have never reported you here or elsewhere. I'm not certain but I don't think I've ever reported anyone's post on BA. Hitting the report button isn't my style. I much prefer open discussion regardless of whether I like or agree with what I read.

@3SH33TS many of those making blatantly positive remarks about particular beers also have a vested interest in hyping their beer. Damned if I understand why that crap isn't equally contentious.

 

I think it is fairly reactionary to call anyone who comments on a trade post 'hecklers'. OP is upset and as the thread has evolved seems to not want to discuss the merits of the issue. There are definitely pros and cons to allowing/not allowing comments. The nuclear solution is usually not the best one.