Is craft beer BETTER than it has ever been before?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by DaverCS, Jul 8, 2015.

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  1. DaverCS

    DaverCS Savant (1,212) Dec 9, 2014 Arizona

    We all can agree that the bar has been raised for the craft beer industry. It seems that stouts cannot just be stouts anymore. They need to be barrel aged for a year and infused with 1000 pounds of vanilla bean and coffee. Even what is mediocre today is far better than what was mediocre even a few years ago. Is this a bad thing, or is this good? Are we straying away from the good, classic beer, or are we simply evolving and making it better? In short, is craft beer today better than it has ever been?

    I say yes, what about you?
     
  2. Lazhal

    Lazhal Pooh-Bah (1,890) Mar 13, 2011 Michigan
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    I just had quite possibly the best non-BA stout I've ever tasted today. Thanks F2Brewers! :slight_smile:

    Absolutely amazing - http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/423/156744/

    If anything BA beers just add another branch on an otherwise large tree worth picking cherries from. It doesn't make the other branches not worth sampling.
     
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  3. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Some is better, some is worse, some is the same.

    I predict in 15-20 years we will be looking back on this era with all of the flavored beer 'experiments' as a fad and will be asking "what in the hell were we thinking back then?"- so I suppose you can guess in which category I'd put those things. :wink:
     
  4. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    If anything, there are relatively fewer professional brewers today that have truly mastered the basics than ever before. That said, a (very) select few have, indeed, managed to raise the bar somewhat. (Note: However, they did not do so by simply adding new flavors to old base beers.)
     
  5. CMiesen

    CMiesen Aspirant (274) Apr 25, 2015 California

    Think most are looking for a way to get noticed in a crowded market. Had some barrel aged beer this year that were not good and that was probably because the stouts were not good to begin with. Gotta have a good beer before you try to add things to it. Agree in a decade will wonder what we were thinking adding flavors to our beer and other weirdness that gets added to beer. (looking at your Rogue)
     
  6. DaverCS

    DaverCS Savant (1,212) Dec 9, 2014 Arizona

    Would you say that the true game changing breweries raised the bar by becoming better brewers, while the newcomers paved their own way via experimentation? With the combination of the two making craft beer better in general?
     
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  7. 1eyed_jack

    1eyed_jack Initiate (0) Dec 19, 2012 Illinois

    Tough to say.

    I will say that tickers and people that don't drink anything unless it's limited are really making some all-around great beers do nothing but sit on shelves.
     
  8. DaverCS

    DaverCS Savant (1,212) Dec 9, 2014 Arizona

    Like Herrburgess said above, we have a huge amount of inexperienced brewers getting into the game. Do you find that this overwhelming lack of experience negatively affects the craft beer movement as a whole, or are we still in general better than before?
     
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  9. bound4er

    bound4er Maven (1,371) Jul 4, 2007 Wisconsin

    Yes ... the explosion of new breweries (increase in competition) for the most part has pushed the quality bar higher across the board.
     
  10. BigDaddyWarbuxx

    BigDaddyWarbuxx Initiate (0) May 25, 2015 Iowa

    I'd say yes. A lot of variety, and a lot of great beers. You may not want imperial stouts or +/- 80 IBU IPAs, but the options are there for those who do, and outside of that the go-tos are still around with more breweries offering more choices.
     
  11. DaverCS

    DaverCS Savant (1,212) Dec 9, 2014 Arizona

    This is my exact rational. This principle will prove hopeful for better beer in the future. The bar will continually raise.... which is equal to better beer!
     
  12. scbeerman

    scbeerman Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2015 South Carolina

    We're better than before. There are definitely some brewers who don't know how to make a good beer first without flavoring it oddly, but the emphasis on freshness and the variation within styles are both good things IMO. In 15 years, I think we'll finally be getting back to focusing on extremely well made examples of traditional German and Belgian styles, unadorned by adjuncts. I do see the current IPA trend of fruit-forward beers continuing, however.
     
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  13. Nmelione

    Nmelione Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2014 New Jersey

  14. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    I think that America's true "talent" has always lay in our ability to try and take on the world and fail spectacularly in doing so. The current U.S. "craft" movement has attempted to brew every style under the sun...and then some (much more than past brewers attempted). While the overwhelming majority of these attempts have been failures -- some more spectacular than others -- a handful of true successes, in a handful of "styles," have indeed changed the game for good. The fact that we are attempting more "styles" than in the past may ultimately lead to more of these "better" beers, but it will also lead to many, many more failures. If the ends justify the means, I suppose "craft" beer will be the better for it.
     
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  15. offthelevel_bytheplumb

    offthelevel_bytheplumb Maven (1,277) Aug 19, 2013 Illinois

    I do not see that as a positive thing.
     
  16. DaverCS

    DaverCS Savant (1,212) Dec 9, 2014 Arizona

    There are definitely more sub-styles of beers now, which does provide a benefit to beer consumers. The truly bad brewers, in theory, will eventually be replaced (same with brewery's focusing on temporary fad beers). I would love to see a switch back to classic styles (especially Belgians) done well domestically.
     
  17. CMiesen

    CMiesen Aspirant (274) Apr 25, 2015 California

    Anything is better than Bud Miller Coors. Have four breweries in my modest city can tell you right now don't know how one is still open because the beer is not very good. One will be closed shortly after and the other two are actually pretty good. One in fact is really good brewery and is starting to win awards at pretty good events in the state.
     
  18. Brolo75

    Brolo75 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,134) Aug 10, 2013 California
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    I'm not sure if craft is better than its ever been or ever will beer. I do think there are a lot of styles being brewed with quality. I think there are good classic beers available and new styles available as well.
     
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  19. dunklevice

    dunklevice Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2008 Wisconsin

    Well said! Of course the competitive explosion will yield a greater number of weak beers to sort through. As consumers we win as quality improves for the same price. Question - does this trickle down from final product to quality of raw ingredients?
     
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  20. DaverCS

    DaverCS Savant (1,212) Dec 9, 2014 Arizona

    I would assume, or many breweries are strategically being bought out. This provides them the bulk discount and wider distribution without any additional cost. This has proven extremely successful for breweries like Goose Island.
     
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