Do I deserve negative feedback as a bad trader?

Are you a bad trader? No, to me that is somebody who steals beer. Are you somebody I would want to trade with? Honestly not sure. Are you somebody that poster would want to trade with? No, hence the bad feedback. He probably should've given you neutral feedback but I wouldn't lose sleep over it you still have plenty of positive feedback and can explain this situation.

 

I don't think bad feedback was needed, maybe neutral at most. No beers were shipped so nothing was lost.

 

Some traders feel that, when you press that "Accept" button, you do so in blood. I personally wouldn't have done a trade with someone who, in the first PM they send me, presumptuously included their mailing address. That's just rude, especially since you said you preferred IP. I'll echo other posters' sentiments and say that it should've been neutral feedback but there's nothing you can do and just chalk it up to a learning experience.

 

Regardless of what happened prior to commitment the trade, your history of backing out or the trader's "aggressive" responses, you accepted the trade, you're committed. Do you deserve a negative feedback? Yes. Are you a bad trader? That's for each person who reads this story to decide.

As I've said multiple times before, "bad trader" is a sum of multiple negative feedback and/or what transpired. The individual feedback reflects that specific trade. If the feedback description gives enough information, that matters most. If the experience leaves the other trade to never want to trade with you again or recommend anyone to trade with you because you don't honor your word, that's a negative experience, not neutral. You'll have a very tough time convincing people who read this post to trade with your having backed out of trades twice. Do your research on "values" before committing and keep your word.

 

You've backed out of trades on more than one occasion by your own admission.

Do you think you're a good trader? Would YOU trade with someone like that?

As to the bad feedback left, hey, that's what the systems for. You used the system and accepted the trade and then didn't fulfill your end of it.

 

To be clear, your initial post said "in search of any of the line items below" me and another person responded immediatly on your line item of BYR + Mexican for BA Sump. You then edited your post to say your preference was IP OR someone with VR+ Mexican, to which I said "Well I Am on a train. Let's up the anti. I will do VR+Mexican Done?"

Lets go to the actual conversation:

you: "Sounds like a plan brother. Shoot me a trade request. So you're good with the Vanilla Rye + Mexican Cake for the BA Sump + 4 bottles of Peanut Butter Breakfast of Champions?"

You then sent me the trade request and I accepted that night (Friday)

Saturday afternoon (27 hours after the trade was agreed upon) I get this:
"Hey brother, I hate to do this to you, but would we be able to nix this trade? I talked with a Pittsburgh BA'er who I've drank with at bottle shares in the past, and I just saw a message that he sent me today about the BA Sump. He was asking if I wanted to bring it to a bottle share next week, and to be honest with you, I would prefer to go this route. If this would be an issue, let me know. And again, apologies."

I then told you it would be an issue b/c i also planned to bring it to a tasting as the surprise bottle to which you responded:

"This is only the 2nd time I've backed out of a trade, but I don't think I can do this. Sharing with some Pittsburgh peeps would not only save me money, but let me get to try this with other folks in my area. I would advise not to ship, and if you want to create a bad trader thread out of this, I would completely understand."

So net net is it a Bad trade if the trade was never completed? I dont know, but since you now have a track record of backing out of trades people need to know. Maybe we should have a new category, falling down on trades? You were very polite and cordial throughout the process but that doeasnt make it acceptable to not follow the rules. An accepted trade is an obligation in my mind.

 

Why did you start this thread? Why are you calling yourself out?

All this thread is going to do is make more people not want to trade with you. You're negative feedback should be discussed with the moderators and the other party who left you the feedback if you feel it is unwarranted.

 

It seems to me you created the thread in an attempt to garner sympathy and pressure your trade partner to change the feedback to neutral at worst.

This isn't cool either IMHO.

 

I never complained after you got responses from your original post (to which i met one of your line items asks) and you then edited the post to add a preference for the better combo (which i then met) OR IP. So yes I was not "screwed" out of beer, time and money but with behavior like this (backing out of an accepted trade 27 hours after accepted) compromises the integrity of the system.

 

@jeevo

Negative feedback in your case does not equate to someone who 'blatantly stole beer' because in their scenario, they will have their account banned and not be able to continue trading on this site.

You can still trade here.

 

While you didn't specifically mention him in this thread, simply by mentioning the bad feed back you did. It is not like it takes rocket science to go to your account and look at your trading history.

I think the point is that you could have handled this privately with out dragging the other party out publicly, whether it was intended or not.

 

in the spirit of full disclosure...
i saw your post on Friday and sent you a PM offering a backyard rye plus mexican cake, which EXACTLY met one of your ISO lines.

your response:
"let me get back to you on this. I'm going to wait and see if I get any IP offers or offers for the first two options I listed, which were my preferred beers. If I don't hear from anyone about this here today, I'll shoot you a trade request."

THEN, you edited your post to specify vanilla rye plus mexican cake was your preferred iso (or IP). essentially i would consider this an auction. if you want to trade on the site follow the rules. it seems pretty clear after the fact you weren't prepared to trade your BA sump, yet your initial post was very detailed on what you wanted for it, which suggests you genuinely put some thought into your ISO's. there's a disconnect here, you say you've done 45 trades on BA, you aren't a rookie. once you click accept on a trade it is an obligation.

 

Don't keep digging the hole. You can't justify backing out of trades, no matter how "experienced" you are or how elegant and polite you were in backing out. Unless you are physically unable to follow through on your word due to unforeseen circumstances or that you lost/broke the beer, anything else is simply going back on your commitment.

You seem to have missed the point of where I said the description of the feedback is important in differentiating a bad feedback from an out right bad trader. He had the courtesy to be detailed enough so be thankful for that as some people would likely not give you that "bad trader" tag because no beers lost. Not to mention, not delivering the beers if he had shipped would result in banning.

You posted this and asked the question, you got the answers from different people with different perspectives and reasoning. If you want uniform moral support for action that compromises the integrity of the trade system, you will not get it.