Sorting through conflicting advice on fruit and sour beer

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  1. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    Despite brewing for a very long time, I am almost a total novice when it comes to fruited beers. I don't enjoy very many and have only brewed a handful over the years. I currently have 2 lbs of frozen apricots which I washed and prepared before freezing. The plan is to rack 2 gallons of Brett Berliner over the apricots and secondary for approximately 2 months.

    A friend recommends campden tablets.

    Searching here provides great reads on pasteurization vs. campden tablets and the concerns about mold that campden tablets won't cure.

    In American Sour Beer @OldSock mentions that he likes what the wild yeast and microbes bring to the table and that other concerns are minimized by the hostile environment of the base beer. I tend to lean toward that advice, but would welcome additional experience and input.
     
  2. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I'm not super experienced, but I do know that when peaches/nectarines ferment naturally, they always get a sort of turpentine character that is very nasty. So I would guess apricots might do the same thing. In other words, I would not recommend letting the fermentation go wild. Treat with a couple of crushed Campden tablets for a day or two before using and you should be alright, hopefully.
     
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  3. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I vote for all natural. After thawing out the apricots I would give them a nice mash to get them broken apart some. I hope your gonna be doing this in a 3 gallon carboy/BB. Otherwise your gonna have too much headspace. I'm assuming this Berliner is pretty tart/sour so the acidic environment will render unwanted bugs inactive. Wouldn't worry at all.

    This beer sounds awesome!!
     
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  4. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Campden tabs take 24 - 36 hours to work their magic.
    AFAIK ... they're effective against yeast but ineffective against mold.

    OTOH ... pasteurizing fruit takes all of 30'.
    Kills wild yeasts and mold.
     
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  5. rylock

    rylock Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2010 New York

    I just got done with an Aprium (Part Apricot part Plum) wild ale last month. Quarter the Apricots, maybe throw a pit in for some nutty flavors and seal it up, you'll be fine.
     
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  6. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    I've done a decent amount of fruited beers. I don't do any pasteurization or sterilization pre or post fruit addition. I let the bugs in the beer already do their thing. The acidity and alcohol of your beer is a pretty good defense against most bacteria.
     
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  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I have fruited clean beers with frozen fruits, pasteurization be damned, with no ill effects. I would go with @OldSock recommendations for wild beers.
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “The plan is to rack 2 gallons of Brett Berliner over the apricots and secondary for approximately 2 months.”

    So, the base beer is a Brett Berliner. If you consider Brett to be a wild yeast then this beer is already a wild beer.

    My thoughts are:

    If you are unconcerned about your wild beer potentially getting a bit ‘wilder’ then just add your apricots with no campden or pasteurization.

    If you want your beer to solely have the wild characteristics of the Brett used to brew the base beer then pasteurize the apricots.

    Cheers!
     
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  9. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Assuming the Berliner has some wheat in it and it's already hazy, are there any detrimental effects to pasteurizing? Does pectin hurt the beer in terms of head retention, mouthfeel, or flavor?
     
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  10. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    I wonder this as well you certainly would need to at least be careful to avoid boiling and making jam.
     
  11. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    There are differences between some light haze, and muddy (pectinase would remedy this though). Heating fruit also changes the flavor. Think of the differences between fresh and jam/pie. I think cooked fruit is actually a better batch for darker beers, but for something like a Berliner I'd want it as bright/raw/fresh as possible.
     
  12. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Makes sense. Thanks!
     
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