New Beer Sunday (week 544)

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  1. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Good morning beer advocates! Whether you have a penchant for the pilsner or a taste for the tripel, whether you like to banter over the Belgians or shmooz with a few saisons, welcome to New Beer Sunday. Today is the day and this is the place for you to TRY anew beer and TELL us about it. NBS is our weekly tasting session and we want to hear all about your beer. How does it measure up to your expectations, what do you like about it, what flavors and aromas do you observe?

    Today I have a poem I stole from my pal @RonaldTheriot


    The Empty Bottle By William Aytoun

    Ah, liberty! how like thou art
    To this large bottle lying here,
    Which yesterday from foreign mart,
    Came filled with potent English beer!

    A touch of steel—a hand—a gush—
    A pop that sounded far and near—
    A wild emotion—liquid rush—
    And I had drunk that English beer!

    And what remains?—An empty shell!
    A lifeless form both sad and queer,
    A temple where no god doth dwell—
    The simple memory of beer!


    For today I have two beers. I guess you could call today Two Beer Sunday. :stuck_out_tongue: First , if you will permit me,I would like to review for you Wurzburger Hofbrau Pilsner. This beer reminded me of the wonderful idea that each beer is and can be unique.

    Happy Old Style (Not New) German Pilsner Sunday

    The unique character in the pils is in it's deep breadiness. This malt is dry, crisp and not too sweet. The nose brings you white bread, a demure touch of floral hop. On the palate the malt is doughy and smooth but also crisp. Moderate carbonation brings it across the palate delightfully. The hops are cool and herbal. They finish the beer with a touch of sweetness to compliment the dapper malt. Good rich grain, a bit husky. The bitter is steadfast and a bit more than moderate The carbonation refreshes the palate lets the bitter linger while all that bread is brought to the swallow. A surpising moment of richness, then a light lemon crisp hop to finish it dry and with a slight astringent bite. Very sophisticated.

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    For me this is a pils that stands far above the rest in a style where excellence is expected. This one has earned my highest recommendation. 4.5/5.


    Happy New Beer Sunday!
     
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  2. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
    In Memoriam

    Mornin nice lady (and all the other NBSers).

    Ah so its Two New to speak of is it?

    Hoping to be back later this evening after a family birthday party for a growing boy. Not sure yet what my final choice will be but depending on timing it will be either the Leinenkugel Big Eddy Nektar (a Braggot and a style I've never tried) or the Weyerbacher Tarte Nouveau, a beer that is relatively new to their year round line up and sounds delicious from the descriptions.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. tasterschoice62

    tasterschoice62 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,949) May 14, 2014 Rhode Island
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    Thank You Maria for that wonderful start to NBS. After reading your review I must say my mouth is watering and my senses are anticipating the day I have the opportunity to taste this Pilsner!!! Your post is truly a work of art!
    Happy Vacation NBS. I'll be back later.....
     
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  4. Ozzylizard

    Ozzylizard Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,419) Oct 5, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Good morning New BSers! Maria, thanks for starting the thread. When I was stationed in Germany it was across the river from the brewery - the first and only wooden barrel of beer I ever tapped with a wooden tap was Wurzburger Hofbrau for the July 4 party at Emery Kaserne - that sucker was heavy! I don't share your delight in that brew - it was what we drank when we couldn't get anything else. I do have to admit than when I tried it a few years ago on a vacation in Germany it seemed to have improved or maybe my tastes had matured somewhat. Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

    My new brew for today is this:

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    Gotta say I don't feel it's up to the hype. Yes, for a brew with chilies it is not overpowering, but it certainly isn't worth the price point ($ 10 +/12 oz bottle). I'm glad I tied it once but won't be returning.

    Bottle dated 1/21/15 at 46 degrees into snifter
    Aroma – hint of coffee and peppers; picking up neither vanilla nor cocoa.
    Head – none. A fizzy narrow ring appears as it is poured. This is gone in less than five seconds.
    Lacing - none
    Body – dark brown/black, opaque
    Flavor – some coffee, some cocoa, lots of chili pepper, no vanilla, no hops, no malt, no alcohol, no diacetyl. A brief stomach burn follows.
    Palate – full, creamy/oily, lively carbonation

    Appearance 3, Aroma 3.75, Flavor 4, Palate 4, Overall 3.75. Score 3.83, rDev -14.9%. This is an passable imperial stout in which the chilies do not completely overpower the rest of the flavors. I’m glad I tried it but at $ 10+ for a 12 oz bottle, I won’t be revisiting it.

    Sorry gang, not my cup of stout.
     
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  5. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Well, @Ozzylizard your opinions must be astute because we agree on this ^ beer. :grinning:

    I had Victory's White Monkey today. I sure did not like it. I am in the minority. But I tired to start drinking early enough so that by the time I had finished tweaking the review for this and for that, it would still be sunday .
    Victory White Monkey So I originally rated it

    3.17/5 rDev -18.1%
    look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

    Pours with a slight haze on a golden body . White head of fine bubbles dissolve and leave a cap and ring. Shimmering lace. Nose is crackery pils malt. Refined with sweet sugar. A vague fruity sweetness from yeast that I think resemebles pear. No real phenols from yeast until the beer warms and then it's like more like clove. The wood barrel exhales gently into this beer and imparts an airy sweetness tinted with white grapeskin. Sweet grass, pepper, fresh hay. On the palate that malt is rendered thin by an overlying acidity. Wait let me start over. Pils malt is dry and lifted almost off the palate so that it glides rather quickly across. Mid palate it meets the vague fruit, an alcohol sweetness and the acidity from the barrel. The flavors of the tripel seems to be washed out by the character of the wine. The yeast imparts bitterness, the hops impart bitterness and then It finishes with a moment that is cloying and a bit of warmth from alcohol.

    Then I went back and took it down because I read @TMoney2591 's review. I like that guy. He and I think a like. This beer was busy. Nothing seemed to meet up exactly right. The clove does not belong with the white grape. The hops are too bitter, the mouthfeel is not right, the yeast is bitter, the fruit fell into the booze. The barrel did nothing for this beer. As much as you could compare champagne type dryness (that is the match to the pils malt and the chardonnay grape) You can't put that acidity on the tripel. The mouthfeel is wrong.

    3.04/5 rDev -21.4%
    look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3


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    Cheers!
     
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  6. JuicesFlowing

    JuicesFlowing Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2009 Kansas

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    I woke up to this. Fortunately, our resort has a little market that sell cerveza, and I scored some new-to-me beer. I took a stroll on the beaches of the Yucatan with one this morning:
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    I then walked back to our villa and did a proper pour in a plastic cup. Oh well, I guess that's about as proper as you can get, considering:
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    The beer is a clear golden color with a quickly receding white cap. Light lines of lacing remain, surprisingly.
    The aroma is syrupy sweet with a good malt bill and likely corn adjuncts. It tastes thick, not unlike a malt liquor. A bit of metal in the overall taste. Finishes smooth.

    Overall, not my thing. I'd prefer a typical light Mexican adjunct. This was interesting though, a little more punch at 5.5%.

    Salud! My in-laws are taking me to a place in Cancun today that sell some kind of dark beer in kegs or growlers? Sounds like it could be an opportunity for a second New Beer In Mexico post .... ? Cheers. I'll try to keep up with the NBS posts today or tonight.
     
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  7. SerialTicker

    SerialTicker Pooh-Bah (2,851) Jun 18, 2012 Missouri
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    Beer #770: Acadian Groove Canadian Maple Porter by Flying Monkeys

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    Many thanks to @TurkeyFeathers for sending me this beer. Flying Monkeys distributes to Michigan, but I hadn't seen this beer anywhere. It sounded too delicious to pass up. No matter how delicious this is it probably won't match my expectations, I'm about to find out.

    Appearance: Pouring down the center of the glass quickly gave a two finger slightly orange-brown colored head. After a minute or so it becomes a thin layer on top of the beer. Acadian Groove is a deep amber color that looks like, sure enough, maple syrup. I don't get any lacing on my glass. (3.75/5)

    Smell: Maple syrup bomb. I could smell this easily once I poured and set it down a couple feet away from me. This really just smells like maple syrup, and with the malt and slight alcohol in the nose, it manages to also smell a bit like pancakes. To my nose, it's essentially liquified pancakes loaded with maple syrup. I can also tell this is a Flying Monkeys beer -- if you've had Chocolate Manifesto, you'll smell this beer and likely find remarkable similarities. With Acadian Groove though, instead of getting a bunch of chocolate, it's maple syrup. (4.75/5)

    Taste/feel: The comparison again -- it reminds me of Chocolate Manifesto quite a lot in terms of flavor, just with a maple syrup sweetness and flavor over chocolate. There's a very distinct "this really tastes like pancakes and syrup" vibe. I think the maple syrup may be more apparent on the nose, but it's still easily tasted. It comes in with some syrup, then quickly hits with that delicious base beer. Alcohol creeps in and dries up the tongue, and I'm left with sweet maple syrup and a very slight roast flavor. As this beer warms up, I get the slightest doughy flavor so, to me, this starts to taste like doughy pancakes. I know, call me an idiot, but I tend to get a dough/doughnut-like flavor in some big porters or stouts when they warm up (or if they're barrel aged, especially). Somehow, this beer doesn't ever quite come off as intensely sweet for me, and I'm not sure why. It's a very sweet beer, but I keep coming back for another sip without thinking it's cloying, even though I feel like it should be. Maybe the mouthfeel helps with that, as it's more medium bodied than full bodied to make it a little too drinkable (despite really being a sipper), and has just a subtle prickly carbonation. (4.5/5, 4.5/5)

    All-in-all, I feel like this is simply the same recipe as Chocolate Manifesto, just with maple syrup in place of chocolate.. and I LOVE it. Because it's so similar, I'm going to give this beer a nearly identical rating. This is a can't-miss beer and is one to be sipped by anybody who likes the flavor of maple syrup... which is pretty much damn near everybody.

    Cheers, and thanks again @TurkeyFeathers !

    4.5/5 (4.47/5)
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Victory Wild Devil

    Last summer I purchased three 750 ml bottles of Victory Wild Devil with the notion of aging them and seeing how these beers evolved over time since they were brewed with Brett. The bottled on date is 11 June 2014.

    I had the first bottle in February; I brought it along on a ski trip and shared that bottle with others. I have no notes from that tasting but I remember enjoying that beer and noticing that there were indeed some funky flavors that were produced by the Brett.

    Below is the ‘story’ of Victory Wild Devil from the Victory website:

    “Wild Devil

    India Pale Ale

    It’s arguable that our menacingly delicious HopDevil has always been wild. With bold German malts and whole flower American hops, this India Pale Ale is anything but prim. But add a touch of brettanomyces, the unruly beast responsible for the sharp tang and deep funk found in many Belgian ales, and our WildDevil emerges completely untamed. Pour yourself a glass today—if you dare.

    Composition

    Malt: Imported two-row malts

    Hops: Whole flower American hops

    ABV: 6.7%”

    So, let’s see what this beer tastes like after 1 year of cellaring:

    Served in my Gulden Draak Tulip glass:

    Appearance:
    An orangeish-amber color with a HUGE rocky head.

    Aroma:

    Brett funk with a light hop nose,

    Taste:

    A mélange of flavors: some cherry, horse blanket, a bit of hay, some musty but mostly just awesome!! There is just a hint of hop flavor on the finish.

    Mouthfeel:

    Creamy and soft once the beer opens up.

    Overall:
    Dominated by Brett produced flavors; I love it!!

    I am typically not a fan of the big bottle format but for this particular beer the large format was a plus. There is so much going on simultaneously flavor-wise in this beer that having more than 12 ounces was a benefit.

    @rotsaruch

    Cheers to Victory for making this glorious beer!!!!!!

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  9. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,191) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    Hey what's going on?!

    Well I am getting one in a little bit early, as I have an engagement early afternoon for some good ole tailgating!! Looking like the sun is shining and perhaps the heat returning here in the DC area, but that just means... it's July and August :confused:

    I am getting a little excited as I am finally working on a big beer vacation and cycling week up in Vermont! Things are a little tense as they always are at the end of July with work, so this should pull through and be a good excuse to take a break after the madness. If this works out like I've planned it should be one of the most epic beer times for me.

    So anyway... what's new for our hero?!? Luckily the latest new goodies arrived last week and been partaking of it's contents. Here's one I have always wanted to try as I missed out on getting a bottle last year. Glad to have grabbed one this time around finally and check out it's contents.

    Framboise De Amorosa - The Lost Abbey

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    Poured from the bottle into a tulip glass. 2015. Good solid pop off the cork, great sign, and a whisp of white gas out of the neck.

    Deep plum red body color, with a nice simple opaque appearance and some great chestnut brown highlights, definitely a unique color spectrum somewhere between deep crimson and chestnut to rust brown. Head is tan light two fingers, lots of snapping carbonation cola sound out of the pour but not too much. Head settles to the simplest creamy light tan puck and collar of just about three millimeters, always being repopulated. Solid looker with a real unique body color.

    Excellent bouquet on the nose. First whiff is of classic raspberries with fresh picked from the bush fruitness. Wild esters come afterwards with hints of mild acid and light funk, moderate sweetness and hints of balsamic vinegar get mixed in quite a bit. Raspberry angle even move to cherry and peach tones, almost fuzzy smelling. Earthy bent of funk like a classic gueuze aroma kicks in as well after some time, soild, fresh tilled dirt, a real nice mix of sweet and acidic, can't wait to taste this.

    Palate is a bit more unexpected. A big tart whomp is hit right in the kisser, and comes off very unexpected from the nose. Puckering tart fruit with a lighter body that doesn't seem to give the impression of big oak aging as suggested. Quite fizzy a bit as well, but luckily not too distracting from the large flavors present. Big raspberry bursting with a light touches of red wine vinegar in the mid palate. Palate definitely bounces to the sour and tart side, where-as the aroma seems to hint mostly at sweetness for a wild ride. Finishes extremely clean, mostly cause it comes off so light, with good amounts of cherry and raspberry juiced flavors. Teeth and lip coating, light and somewhat effervescent, earth with a touch of acidic sweetness.

    Listed as equal part lover of sweet and sour, it's very well achieved that, but where is the big round body taken from oak and lift? I think if this wasn't even barrel aged I'd score it even higher, but I was hoping perhaps for a bigger rounder mouthfeel that the oak could give. Either way it's only taking the score and enjoyment down barely a hair, from perhaps world class to just simply excellent. Rough times I know instead of ending up with the BMW instead of the Ferrari but hard to be disappointed.

    look: 4 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

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    Lots of people seem to want to knock Lost Abbey and I am not sure why. I may have had one or two duds, but I am even more impressed by their core line ups, Inferno, Serpent Stout, Avant Garde, Deliverance, Witches Wit... those I find just really solid to fantastic. I am always looking though for the other specials from Tomme... hope to always cross those new bottles paths in the future.. :sunglasses::slight_smile:
     
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  10. Greywulfken

    Greywulfken Grand Pooh-Bah (5,815) Aug 25, 2010 New York
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    New American IPA Sunday

    I have an agenda, ladies and gentlemen...
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    ...and I'm not wasting any time...

    Starting local...
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    With Greenport's Harbor Ale IPA, based in Peconic, out on the north fork of Long Island...

    Deep golden body under a few fingers of off-white foam. Just short of clear. Effervescing bubbles. Woodsy and earthy with some chew - bitter hops brought mild pine and more wood, some high points of citric pith, some underlying dankness. Medium-weight and soft - carbonation muted - nice rounded bitterness on the tongue. Leaves a little aftertaste that calls for another sip. A real nice local IPA. Features Warrior, Glacier, and Cascade hops, and a 30% wheat malt body. A good start... :sunglasses:

    Cheers :wink:
     
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  11. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    So jealous! That looks idyllic. Cheers! :sunglasses:
     
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  12. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    I am so excited that you are doing the Harbor Ale. I saw it in my shop. =)
     
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  13. Ozzylizard

    Ozzylizard Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,419) Oct 5, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Gotta agree - this is the rare beer that says it uses maple syrup and actually smells and tasted like it! Very good - my score was 4.54.
     
  14. Ozzylizard

    Ozzylizard Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,419) Oct 5, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Aging seems to be the key for this one. I bought a case about three years ago and was unimpressed. However, when I finished the last bottle a couple of months ago I was really wishing I had a few more. The Brett doesn't come into its own for at least two years, IMHO.
     
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  15. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    C&Ps out of the way. G'day NBS faithful!

    It's gonna be another hot one in Casper...breaking the 90s again. What better beverage to enjoy than....beer!

    I had to add my new beer for today to the BA database. A delicious Tripel that is a Wild Tripel. 150 IBUs!! But do not fear the Brett as it isn't overpowering by any stretch of the imagination.

    Cheers and toodles!
     
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  16. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    After going with New Beer Style Sunday last week, my first brew today is from a new country: from Iceland, this is Ölvisholt Brugghús' Lava Smoked Imperial Stout.

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    Beer #1100 :slight_smile:

    This beer is much more impressive than I would have guessed. The nose is classic RIS: tons of roasted barley, a bit of dark fruit and grapes, a little bit of coffee and chocolate, and a touch of sweetness and smoke.

    The brew comes across differently on the palate: it's fairly sweet up front, with the bittersweet coffee, chocolate, and roast coming through mid-palate, and the second half bringing a lovely smoke.

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/17208/46273/?ba=Roguer
    4.11 / +0.5%

    Cheers!
     
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  17. WesMantooth

    WesMantooth Grand Pooh-Bah (4,844) Jan 8, 2014 Ohio
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    Yet Another New Vermont Beer Sunday

    Have I drank all of the beer in Ohio? It seems that way recently. Anyway. Some awesome chipotle infused maple syrup (that you will likely see featured in a chili soon) thanks to @Roguer Although I have to admit it did not pair well with the stout for some reason. The beer is courtesy of my other east coast friend @paresis. This one broke a long streak of -rdevs for me thankfully! 11 of the last 12, with one being 0. There were some really good beers too.
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    4.09/5 rDev +2.5%
    look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

    No bottle date visible, but I know it is at least 2014.

    Pours pitch black and viscous. Not much head on mine, even with an aggressive pour. It does have a nice tan ring that leaves some lacing.

    Smells mainly of dark roasted malts and chocolate with a hint of tobacco.

    Lots of tobacco and some licorice up front that is too strong for me. However, as this beer begins to warm up, the almost overbearing tobacco flavor starts to meld nicely. Now the malts really start to shine, complemented by some cocoa and slightly bitter dark chocolate and molasses. Decent bitterness with an ashy/charred and roasted coffee beans aftertaste that is balanced by some brown sugar like sweetness. Alcohol is not noticeable.

    Not Ten Fidy viscous, but close. Very full bodied and creamy.

    This is an excellent example of a RIS. It reminds me of an Expedition stout after about a year of aging.
     
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  18. microbrewlover

    microbrewlover Initiate (0) Oct 5, 2006 Pennsylvania

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    This brew pours a copper/straw color with a fluffy three finger head which dissipates in a few minutes but leaves a collar and moderate lacing. The brew is about 60% opaque and has lots of carbonation.

    The smell is amazing with earth, musty, straw, wet hay, with floral notes and bubble gum.

    The taste mostly follows the nose with a lot of sweetness, probably from the honey, which you can taste when you first sip it. There are some spices in there, though I can't tell exactly what, and the finish is a bubbly, dry champagne like taste with a little bubble gum. I can't pick up any hops.

    Overall this is a nice clean tasting beer to drink. It is good for a hot summer day.
     
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  19. RonaldTheriot

    RonaldTheriot Grand Pooh-Bah (3,749) Aug 11, 2008 Louisiana
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    I tried this one, last year (bought mine in Matamoros, Mexico).
     
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  20. Ri0

    Ri0 Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2012 Wisconsin

    Happy NBS! Not much going on for me today so I'll relax and enjoy a few beers. :slight_smile:

    3 Sheeps Happy Summer blew me away earlier in the week with it's huge tropical and citrus notes from the Citra, Mosaic, and Amarillo hops. I went back for a second bottle, but it was sold out. More should be arriving this coming week.
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    This morning I am enjoying 3 Sheeps Oaky Dokey IPA that is aged on different oak and birch spirals.

    This smells like a blend of wood, earth, and citrus. Oak, earthy and big notes of grapefruit citrus hops. Some sweet bread, caramel, and toffee are also inviting, very nice aroma.

    First and foremost I get a quick, sweet taste of bread and caramel malt, with some oak notes. This is quickly cast aside to let the bitter citrus hops into play, with grapefruit, some pine and hints of earth. Wisps of vanilla and toffee are also found throughout.

    This is really nice and the more I drink it, the more I am enjoying it.

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