"____ brand stout"

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  1. Pantalones

    Pantalones Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Virginia

    I've noticed that a handful of beers -- the entire Bourbon County series and Kentucky Brunch -- are both labeled as "(name of beer) Brand Stout" rather than just "(name of beer) Stout" (or Barleywine in one case.)

    So... why is this? Just a weird marketing/labeling choice, or is there actually some reason why these two beers have to be labeled "Something Brand Type-of-beer" rather than just "Something Type-of-beer?" It kind of reminds me of how some commercials awkwardly shoehorn the word "brand" in after the name when talking about their product (the first that comes to mind is some of the more recent Band-Aid commercials where the song the kids sing has "brand" added in after "Band-Aid," which just sounds really odd.)
     
  2. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Probably just an oddball marketing decision on the part of the first party to do so, in the case of the beer. The second brand to do so saw the competitors success and decided to 'borrow' that little idea. There only appear to be two, at least that I know of.
     
  3. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Isnt it a Kentucky whiskey reference? Many of those have/had the word brand on their label (ie Jack Daniels No. 7 Brand)
     
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  4. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I always thought they tossed it in so the traders would stop confusing the letters with Brooklyn Chocolate Stout. :wink:
     
  5. nesarebad

    nesarebad Pooh-Bah (1,868) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts
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    It is likely to differentiate where a term might be confused for a colloquial expression. For band-aids that has be come the common term for self adhering bandages but it is actuall a brand. Another example is Kleenex, which is a common term applied to facial tissues but is actually the brand name.
     
  6. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Probably a TTB/legal thing concerning geography, since those beers are not brewed in Bourbon County or Kentucky and the Feds don't want a beer name to suggest it does. For instance, the labeling regulations titled "Brand Names - Misleading", which includes "origin":
     
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  7. linnymtu

    linnymtu Savant (1,206) Apr 2, 2010 Michigan
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    Very good insight! This could be why KBS simply goes by the acronym now and does not claim the "Kentucky Breakfast Stout" name it used to use.
     
  8. Sturgeon83

    Sturgeon83 Initiate (0) Mar 11, 2015 Kentucky
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    [hijack]Jack Daniels is NOT Kentucky whiskey.[/hijack]
     
  9. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Ah yeah, my bad. Whiskey regardless tho
     
  10. lordofthemark

    lordofthemark Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2015 Virginia

    Brooklyn lager is brewed in Utica. Is that different because "brooklyn" does not define an historic beverage the way Kentucky and Bourbon do?
     
  11. deepsleeper

    deepsleeper Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2015 California

    Maybe they just like the word 'brand'. Would you prefer Kentucky Brunch Label Stout?
     
  12. tbryan5

    tbryan5 Pooh-Bah (1,916) Sep 22, 2012 Louisiana
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    I would like to try it no matter what they call it.
     
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  13. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, same for Samuel Adams Boston Lager (although in both those cases, the brewery name is also the city's and the beer) or Old Milwaukee back during Stroh's ownership of it in the '80s and '90s, etc. Probably hundreds of other geographical based beer names and styles. Although there was a notorious "cheap" beer out of the equally notorious Eastern Brewing Corp. of Hammonton, NJ named "Milwaukee" that had a relatively prominent "Brand" designation (under "KEE"):

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    If it is based on the TTB's regulation (I seem to recall some controversy re: the Kentucky Bourbon Stout/KBS label approval being delayed one year) the above examples of Boston/Brooklyn would probably be due to the rather non-specific "...unless appropriate TTB officer finds that such brand name... conveys no erroneous impressions..." aspect. But, yeah, when it comes to the TTB's labeling rules, things are seldom simple or exact.

    Similar to how the TTB requires brewers to label beer style names based on its geographical origins.
     
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