How important is being "Craft" really?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by JackRWatkins, Aug 14, 2015.

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Does a brewery being technically "Craft" (falling below the barrel limit) matter to you?

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  1. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    Granted some breweries wish to stay small in order to achieve their unique goals, but; assuming the quality of the beer remains is there anything wrong with a brewery going big? How much does a brewery being "craft" by technical standards (amount of barrels produced) really matter?
     
  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    There are only 2 actual "brewing companies" left in the US that are above the Brewers Associaton's "under 6 million barrel a year" limit for a small/craft brewer - Anheuser-Busch and MillerCoors. Even Pabst, while not a true brewing company (all their beer is contract-brewed by MC and others), has fallen below 6 million according to 2014 data.
     
  3. Lucular

    Lucular Grand Pooh-Bah (4,367) Jun 20, 2014 Maryland
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    Yes - I don't enjoy drinking BMC products and whether or not I enjoy what I'm drinking matters!
     
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  4. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    so with that and other things in mind, how valuable actually is the craft designation? outside of preventing the evil titans of the brewing industry from falsely marketing a beer as "craft" which I would imagine if you can afford a nationally syndicated tv commercial with good production value you hardly qualify for anyway, I don't see the term as being particularly useful, consumer education is important but if you have to be told that a beer is well made to know, you probably don't care that much about what you are drinking anyway
     
  5. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Good Lord! All the hipsters will have to find another beer! Drinking craft isn't ironic! :grinning:
     
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  6. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    we have a brewing culture that is comparatively speaking in its infancy, that being said it is not unfathomable to imagine that in a good long while we could have a brewery with the esteem and scope of a duvel moortgat, a decently large brewing company that sells a product that even by beer geek standards is generally well thought of
     
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  7. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    The real problem is the BA absconded with the word "craft" and used it to define the industry group they were representing in all of their programs and political lobbying. As long as we remember that the BAs definition of "craft brewer" is for their own purposes only,... well, never mind, we can never seem to remember that.
     
  8. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    BMC? spell that out I forget the abbreviation
     
  9. Lucular

    Lucular Grand Pooh-Bah (4,367) Jun 20, 2014 Maryland
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    Budweiser-Miller-Coors
     
  10. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    we can call it an insular term all we want but it is the predominant term used by people to describe non-macro beer
     
  11. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    oh haha yeah sorry, I don't buy their products either, but it is not because of their size, it is because of the quality of the product (or lack thereof) and unsavory business practices
     
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  12. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    True, but we (the broad "we") give too much importance to the BAs inherently political definition.
     
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  13. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    People will say it doesn't matter, but actions might prove otherwise.
     
  14. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    the culture of community brewers is great, so nobody think I'm trying to advocate for its destruction. What I am saying though is as long as the integrity of the products produced is maintained maybe we should not begrudge anyone their desire to grow, if indeed that is what they desire to do. Some breweries are good, some breweries are awful, some are small ops and some have bigger plans, maybe the designation should be more of a 'good' beer vs 'bad' beer and less of a 'craft' v 'macro'. Let's all be honest with ourselves if the AB inbevs of the world posessed a long history of excellence and quality in their products we would generally have no problem drinking them, the size of the brewery should not be what leaves a good or bad taste in our mouths, but rather the beer itself and the quality of the people that make it
     
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  15. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    well what you want out of a beer or a brewery experience is yours to decide, my suspicion would be that if "craft" breweries phoned it in, people would not drink it, don't get me wrong there is always an element of trendiness in "buying local" and going to the local brewery because that's the place to be, but if it literally tasted like shit, people would not pay more for it, they would go to other night spots and social gathering spots with cheaper options
     
  16. JLaw55

    JLaw55 Pooh-Bah (2,417) Jul 10, 2014 Missouri
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    It doesn't matter what something is classified as, as long as it tastes good.

    I can't really take the 'craft' guidelines seriously anyways when the Brewers Association keeps moving the goal posts. After a while, it just becomes silly.
     
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  17. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    I agree, a trade association is valuable, but maybe the "goalpoasts" as you call them are the wrong way to decide whether one belongs or doesn't, I'm not pretending to know what would be a better option, but I do know that barrel amount is not the one.
     
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  18. JLaw55

    JLaw55 Pooh-Bah (2,417) Jul 10, 2014 Missouri
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    I completely agree. I don't know what a better system would be either, but I do know that the barrel count is not working well.
     
  19. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    well like I said, I don't feel that the craft designation is particularly useful anymore, at one time I think it certainly was, but as we grow as a beer culture and as good breweries prove their mettle and longevity, growth is and will be inevitable either through acquisitions and partnerships, or through expansions, it is not inconceivable to believe that once small breweries get big because of demand for a product that is both good and appealing to the general population, take sierra nevada or sam adams or even to a lesser extent the duvel breweries in the states (ommegang and now firestone walker) these breweries deserve the success they have achieved, that is why they are successful, though success does not always mean growth, but for some it does, I truly believe that if sierra nevada pale ale was now what budweiser (the lager specifically) used to be to the american people, the country would be a better place for beer, big can certainly mean bud but the two are not mutually exclusive
     
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  20. AlienSwineFlu

    AlienSwineFlu Savant (1,135) Dec 14, 2012 Ohio

    "Craft" as a term has run its course, it's no longer necessary.
     
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