eBay and Beer Sales

He says that but it can't REALLY be about that can it? After all it's out of his hands, he brewed it. He sold it. Now someone else is buying it. IT'S NOT HIS PROBLEM!

I mean come on, we have bottles shipped overseas and imported into our country, heaven forbid Cantillon stopped exporting because they couldn't control how their beer tasted after travelling so far!!!!

 

I'm not sure where I said I was entitled, I was trying to accuse brewbetter of acting entitled, which I think I accomplished in spite of your misreading.

Obviously ebay isn't the only way to get beer shipped, but it is the largest auction site in the US where a huge number of beers are sold. If Shaun Hill and Vinnie from RR want to sell their beer at a reasonable price, and don't want to see others profiting hugely from their labor, then more power to them.

As for trading, I see it as a good way to get beer you have no access to while at the same time sharing some great brews that you'd like others to try. I've perused these forums for a while now, and the spirit in general seems to be sharing and talking about great brews, not hoarding them all and competing to see who can get the better bottle.

 

Absolutely! I'm not saying he isn't being something of a stickler, but I am saying it's totally his decision. He works hard to put forth his best product, and he has the right to dictate how it is sold.

If Shaun Hill said the only way he wanted his beer consumed was out of a sippy cup, I'd say "What a prick," and then buy 2 cases of sippy cups.

 

You do realize that the vast majority of high profile art world sales are in secondary markets through auctions where the artists has no say whatsoever right?

 

That's all it is about - money. Not quality. If it were quality - they'd go 100% draft only. Please tell me the difference, from a "caring about quality" point of view - between ebaying a growler and trading a growler here. There is none. Same with bottles.

As for being entitled - you seem to have a double standard. You are implying only locals are entitled to the beer.

 

Supporting trading while being against eBay is the definition of hypocritical. I would imagine that Vinnie and Shaun are equally as against trading as they are against eBay since they are against resale from the brewery, but this is all so illogical, I'm not sure what to think.

 

Yeah, 'loons must be total horsecrap beers since they can survive a transatlantic journey.

 

The government does, private citizens can't buy, sell, or own them.

 

You've obviously never met Vinnie. He is one of the most down to earth and generous person in the beer scene today. Go find a cliff and walk off it.

You have absolutely no clue what happened between RR, Shaun Hill, and eBay, so please don't say they are threatening them. What eBay was doing is breaking both state and federal laws, by allowing people to sell, and ship beer, they are committing a federal crime.

 

eBay was not committing a federal crime.

Piss and vinegar, love your posting style!

 

I'm not implying locals are entitled, I'm implying NO ONE is entitled and locals are fortunate enough to get to have it anyway. Furthermore, I'm sure it is about money, even mostly about money, but I have no problem with that. He's offering an amazing product, and he should profit alone with his workers.

And I don't see the trading/ebay argument holding any water at all. Ebaying is profiteering and benefiting form someone else's labor. Trading is spreading the joy (as well as you can depending on the degradation of the beer etc.) and expecting nothing but reciprocity.

 

SO IS TRADING!!!!!

 

BA is facilitating people to break the exact same laws. At least eBay was more efficient about it.

 

What's wrong with benefitting from someones labor if you added value? The eBay sellers add value. That value is providing something you are otherwise unable to get. If I can spend $30 over the retail price of a beer on eBay - but I save 16 hours in the process - was value not added?

Businesses are profiteers by definition. If my boss pays me $55/hour but bills me out at $175/hour - is he not profiteering and benefiting from my labor? Should I quit on principle?

 

Yep, as soon as I see these double standards die I'll stop posting about this. They won't though - people will manipulate a scenario to suit them.

You are either against trading and eBay, or for them both. No in between. Both are "illegal" and full of profiteering.

 

The double standard is driving me nuts!

 

Yes but you signed a contract with your boss, and you both know what's happening. When Shaun Hill sells a beer, he is not feeding into another person's business, which is why it is an issue.

Certainly value is added when an ebayer ships a beer, but it was not their value to add. Any idiot could ship out a beer, but it takes much more knowledge and experience to brew a great one.

Furthermore, if you see trading as profiteering, you shouldn't be allowed to trade. That style is what so many people complain about, and what is turning people off of it entirely.

 

Does not compute. So - to sell something - I have to sign a contract with the original producer? I never asked Ford's permission to sell my car, or do I know how to manufacture it.

 

I've been reading but not posting in this thread until now but I fully agree with them on this. Don't live near the brewery? Too bad. Can't afford the plane ticket? Oh well. No one is entitled to any beer... EVER. Just go to your local beer shop and drown your sorrows with some boring off the shelf DIPA or BA stout.

 

Still can't find anyone who thinks they are "entitled" to a beer. The issue is people who try and control other people's actions to suit their world views.