How Cheap Could Craft Beer Get?

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  1. mwa423

    mwa423 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2007 Ohio

    I was having a couple beers with a couple of craft brewery reps and discussing where craft could go next. I wondered aloud if there was a good opportunity for a craft brewery to go deep on price and make a beer that was either line priced with BMC or go even cheaper. Everybody else at the table dismissed the idea as preposterous and not worthy of discussion. One even mentioned the Stone slogan "it's not expensive, you're too cheap".

    I've remained on the fence of whether this is possible and if so, how? The nationwide average price for a BMC six pack 12 oz bottles is $6.56, so could a craft six pack be profitable at this price point?

    Thoughts:
    1. From my experience, if you have a $9.99 six pack, it's usually close to a 1/3rd split between brewer, distributor and retailer. So, if you were to self distribute (where allowed) and eliminate that 1/3rd of the pie, that gets you to $6.66. (the obvious concern is that there are still costs in self distribution (people/trucks/etc.) so you can't completely cut out that "distributor markup". Also, it obviously limits your distribution footprint.

    2. One cute alternative for a small brewery is to sell growler refills at BMC price. This might be the ticket since you lose packaging and distribution costs. $6.56/six pack is $.091/oz. So, a 64 oz growler refill at the brewery could theoretically be sold at $5.99. The obvious downside here is people have to come to the brewery to get beer as opposed to the gas station (or whatever) around the corner. A secondary potential downside is that it makes growler fills possibly cheaper than a keg (at 9.1 cents per oz, a 1/2 barrel would be $180. Most craft kegs are in the $200-$250 range in my local area). On premise accounts don't really like being undercut on price by the brewery.

    3. I doubt that this hypothetical brewery could brew all styles. While I don't keep close track of malt prices and such, I assume the more expensive to produce IPAs, stouts, etc. wouldn't be touchable with higher hop prices. What's cheap to brew? Hefeweizen, Blonde, Kolsch, Brown/Amber?

    4. Assuming that large brewers industry wide are going to continue to take price increases on BMC every year, it makes "BMC parity" a moving target and one moving in favor of a craft beer that appeals to the customer on a budget...

    5. Is there a concern with brand equity? I'm specifically thinking of Leinenkugel whose beers are generally priced below independent craft. They came out with their Big Eddy series and they really didn't move. So, if you're the brewery who makes cheap craft, will your customers scoff at your special release series since you're the guy who makes "cheap craft" killing your brand equity?

    There have already been some "craft" brands (Shock Top and Henry Weinhard's) who have gotten close to the "domestics" price point, though I'm trying to figure out if an independent brewery could do the same thing and make a profit.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. scbeerman

    scbeerman Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2015 South Carolina

    The brewer would likely have to stick with ales almost exclusively due to the time (=money) aspect of producing lagers or lagered ales. So no Pilsner, kolsch, etc. I think that it's feasible for a large scale producer to push prices as low as $6 per 6-pack, assuming they keep the costs low.
     
  3. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Pooh-Bah (2,305) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana
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    Throughout the '90's and early 2000's, craft beer was priced in line with or cheaper than BMC as it fought for shelf space and name recognition. it wasn't until the late 2000's that craft pricing started to expand dramatically. Initially this was blamed on things like "hop shortages" but pricing never came back down. some brewers undoubtedly recognized they had a premium product compared to BMC and priced accordingly.
     
  4. jlsims04

    jlsims04 Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2013 Illinois

    I think eventually breweries will fill this "gap" in the market. Because after awhile how much better can beer get. The great IPA players are established, same for stouts, sours, ect. The next logical place to compete is on price. This will be done by new guys not established brands. Thus there will be an added tier to the craft market. I would expect them to compete on price at 11.99ish a 12pk and 5.99-6.99 a 6 pack.

    I cant think of a single brewery where it is more expensive to drink there than at a bar. It should be cheaper to drink direct from the source. The benefit of a bar is you get multiple choices.
     
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  5. mwa423

    mwa423 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2007 Ohio

    A reasonable point, but craft beer is fragmented enough that I would assume we would see a few craft brewers undercut others by $1-$2 from a $9.99/$10.99 price point and laugh all the way to the bank. An alternative theory is that in a given market, the distributors just pocket extra margin and make the "lower cost" brewery equal to the "higher cost" brewery to the retailer.
     
  6. MattyB203

    MattyB203 Devotee (399) Apr 20, 2015 Connecticut

    A lot of the demand right now is for beer from small, micro brewers who don't have significant economies of scale in their operations. That forces them to charge relatively high prices for beer (4 bucks per pint can at a lot of places I go to, at least). Those higher prices provide a price umbrella for a lot of other, mediocre beers that larger, national brewers are all to happy to sit right under. There's also no incentive for many brewers to cut price because their product is selling out rapidly. Furthermore, craft beer is taking share from other categories like traditional beer, wines, and spirits, so there's no necessity to go after market share gains while the entire industry is enjoying rapid growth.

    Once you see the category's growth as a whole slow down, that's where I think you start to see things rapidly change. You'll see large brewers start to offer acquisitions prices to the small guys for their recipes / brewers at levels that small brewers would be stupid to walk away from. You'll see historically small batches that are of high quality produced in large scale format and reduced in price as they become distributed nationally. In my opinion, that will be what brings about the decline in craft beer prices.
     
  7. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Pooh-Bah (2,305) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana
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    don't get me wrong, i'd love to see that happen. I believe it is only possible for "large" scale breweries as they have the "excess" capacity necessary to compensate lower pricing with increased volumes, hence SN six packer for $8 or $9. there is without a doubt some price inflation due to the unnecessary distributor "link" in the value chain (i.e. they don't add any value but charge for giving the you the privilege of being able to buy "their" beers).

    EDIT: Indiana and Illinois both have self distribution laws and most of the breweries self distributing still charge in that $10/six pack range.
     
  8. hoppytobehere

    hoppytobehere Pooh-Bah (2,046) Aug 10, 2012 District of Columbia
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    :confused: what planet are you from?
     
  9. esimonoff

    esimonoff Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2014 California

    I could be wrong on this (and this doesn't specifically address the question of buying beer for consumption at home), but I've heard that Boulevard prices some of their kegs low enough for distribution to bars in Kansas City to compete with BMC, etc.
     
  10. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Pooh-Bah (2,305) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana
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    from 1996 through 2000, I could get a six packs of goose island, great divide, and IIRC victory for $5.99 - $6.99 which was about the same as a six pack of budweiser bottles. were you out of diapers by then?

    EDIT: Lienenkugels too
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It seems to me that for the larger craft breweries they could indeed produce craft beer and price it more economically.

    This example already exists: Yuengling Summer Wheat. A few months ago I purchased a 6-pack of Yuengling Summer Wheat for $6.99 and that beer is a very, very good Hefeweizen beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  12. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    I don't think well ever see craft get too cheap because we are used to paying the high price, but there are options at close to $1 a beer. Tallgrass 8 bit pale ale cases can be seen for $22 and Sam Adams octoberfest 28 packs are $24 at SAMs club. We have affordable options but I don't see it getting too far under $1 a beer.
     
  13. lateralusbeer

    lateralusbeer Savant (1,222) Feb 7, 2010 North Carolina
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    You are already seeing this phenomenon with macro owned "craft" options like Goose Island. Around here, 4 packs of pint cans of the IPA are $7.99, whereas the closest craft competitor in the same format is $10.99. As BMC acquires more brands, watch them to initiate a price war they can easily afford to wait out. The hope is to get the consumer to capitulate - "I like that local option better, but not for 1.5 times the price."
     
  14. lordofthemark

    lordofthemark Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2015 Virginia

    At a Harris Teeter in DC. Most craft 6 packs ar 8.99. Stone, Lagunitas, DFH, are 9.99. Schlafly and Port City (which is both local and we'll regarde) 10.99. Victory Golden Monkey and Rogue Dead Guy are 11.99. Shock Top and Goose Island are 7.99

    I suspect it will be difficult for breweries that need to cover the costs of expansions to undercut breweries with large amounts of excess capacity, for whom the brewery facility is essentially a sunk cost.
     
  15. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    Sam adams here some time's is $6.99
    the good monks at Westvleteren sell the 12 for about 2 bucks a bottle, image what a comparable beer to that would sell for here. 12 a pop? markup is a bitch....
     
  16. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    no actually SAM Adams was darn close.
     
  17. The_Snow_Bird

    The_Snow_Bird Grand Pooh-Bah (3,557) May 7, 2015 Michigan
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    Its all about demand, I demand it so i'll pay whatever for it.
     
  18. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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  19. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    To many craft drinkers would think it can be good at that price.
     
  20. Chaz

    Chaz Grand Pooh-Bah (3,668) Feb 3, 2002 Minnesota
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    In the Minneapolis area the wholesalers never cut retailers slack on "Microbrews", back then. It was $5.95 Samuel Adams, $5.50 Summit Brewing / August Schell (local / Minnesota), and $4.95 Stevens Point sixers (new to the market in 1992).

    We were pretty happy with that at a time when Michelob (Original) was running neck-and-neck with Boston Lager, and the market-leading Michelob Golden Draught Light was $5.25; In other words, Craft (and "True Micro") wasn't set for price points below mass marketed Premium, Super-premium, or Imports.

    Indy and their 'Jungle Jim's' are probably an outlier, but maybe Indiana as a whole is just that much more competitive?
     
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