Beer release line control?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by smanrob, Sep 20, 2015.

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  1. smanrob

    smanrob Initiate (0) Feb 9, 2014 California

    Sitting in a line that wraps entirely around the block for Beatification we've seen the line density triple while waiting for RR to open. Just curious... what are some of the best line/crowd management strategies you've seen?
     
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  2. richobrien

    richobrien Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2013 California

    Numbered tickets handed out to people when they got in line. When doors open, they sell in order of your number. Hard to manage it when you have so many people, lots of them holding spots for friends, etc.
     
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  3. Hrodebert

    Hrodebert Savant (1,024) Sep 2, 2013 Michigan
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    Numbered tickets are the only way. You get in line, you stay in line, you get your beer.
    All the saving places, and cutting in line at the last minute, is complete bullshit, and anyone that does it deserves a good thumping by everyone they jumped in front of.
     
  4. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Raise prices so they're actually somewhat close to where demand and supply intersect.

    Expand your brewery and increase supply.
     
  5. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Pooh-Bah (2,193) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Heavily armed security guards.
     
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  6. The_Snow_Bird

    The_Snow_Bird Grand Pooh-Bah (3,557) May 7, 2015 Michigan
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    I like the lottery based line. Haven't seen it done with breweries yet, but back in the day, before ticketmaster, when i was waiting for concert tickets, the venue didn't want overcrowding lines. So they warned people that it isn't first come first served. Take a number and at a designated time they will randomly draw a number and thats where the line would start.
     
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  7. BaseballNBeer

    BaseballNBeer Crusader (490) Apr 22, 2015 Michigan
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    I've thought that's a great method, too. My concerns are that the brewery, or wherever, needs to staff the front of the line for a longer time period. Also, I've always thought that it would simply shift everything earlier and the potential for line shenanigans would just be at an earlier time.
     
  8. tmbgnicu

    tmbgnicu Maven (1,280) Mar 15, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    How does the line look overall? I've got a friend there who potentially is gonna grab me a bottle or two of beat, line permitting....
     
  9. Himself

    Himself Initiate (0) May 20, 2014 Massachusetts

    Have a pre-release lottery for said beer. If your name is selected you get a reserved time to go and pick up your beer. This negates the need for a line and keeps people from having mules go and pick up even more for them.
     
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  10. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Oh, so Toppling Goliath should sell KBBS for $100 a bottle. What a solution...
     
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  11. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    For the CBS/KBS event at a local bar, they sold tickets starting at a specific time (say, noon, whatever, I don't remember the exact time). So, you show up at noon, purchase your ticket and get a free beer, and if you want, hang out and drink other beers/eat food.

    Now, the tickets were for specified time groups. So, you bought a ticket for the 7:00 - 7:30 time slot, or the 8:00 - 8:30 time slot, etc. So you can just come back at the specified time, instead of wasting hours in a line.

    Starting at the event time (I think it was 5:00, but again, it doesn't matter), a set of a half-dozen tables were reserved specifically for the event. At the end of the evening, when everyone who had purchased a ticket had enjoyed their reserved brews, the remainder of the kegs were opened up to general consumption.

    I was slightly annoyed by this system, as there was no advance notice that this was how it was going to be run. However, after seeing it in action - and seeing how messed up it can be without any organization at all (*cough* YESTERDAY for Zwanze *cough*) - I really think this was an excellent way to control the high level demand.

    I would think that something similar could be (or is already) done for bottle releases.
     
  12. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Pre-release is the way to go but lottery isn't IMO. I think the best way to handle limited beer releases is the way Wicked Weed does it:

    Pre-sale will allow for one purchase per person of a minimum of 6 bottles and a maximum of 12 bottles. Purchase of a full case (12) will include a Golden Angel glass and an 8oz pour of Golden Angel, while purchase of a half case (6) includes a Golden Angel glass. Purchased bottles will be available for pickup in person during two sessions; May 23rd and 24th beginning at 12pm both days at Wicked Weed’s Funkatorium. Golden Angel is scheduled for a 12pm tapping on Saturday and Sunday in the Funkatorium Tasting Room with Golden Angel glassware available for purchase.

    They devote a certain number of bottles to pre-sale and then the rest are sold on release day in the normal fashion. They also do the numbered wristband thing and I believe they also scan your ID so that the same person can't buy bottles more than once. Also, the people that show up before the designated line-up time are turned away. Smart. Of course, if the bottle count is extremely low, this method is mostly useless. At that point, all you can do is go 1 bottle per person, hand out numbered wristbands and hope everything goes smoothly.
     
  13. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,191) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    Fixes the problem I am sure... also I am sure there's people already doing that...
     
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  14. Joshkoskinen

    Joshkoskinen Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2014 Illinois

    if its a big beer- I like the approach that Central Waters did for Black Gold. Pre purchased tickets for your allotment.
     
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  15. NellysBandaid

    NellysBandaid Crusader (471) Feb 22, 2015 Missouri

    Side Project counts the people in line a few minutes before the release and bases limits on that. This means that if you are in line at the release time you get an allocation.
     
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  16. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    People selling rare beers on websites for 10x the price they paid are one thing. Those people are the epitome of what's wrong with the state of the craft beer industry today but, yeah, it's gonna happen so there's nothing that can be done about it. The brewers themselves, though, should not crank up the price of their beer to insulting prices just because the demand is so high. This guy sums it up quite well:



    Skip ahead to 1:55 to get the main point.
     
  17. Geuzedad

    Geuzedad Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2010 Arizona

    I actually liked the way Alesmith has released their last two limited beers by using Brown Paper Tickets. You go online at the predetermined time, buy your tickets, print them off, then show up at the brewery to pick up your beers. No standing in lines, no line cutting, holding places, etc. And you get the convenience of showing up when its convenient for you (within the given time parameters of course) to pick up. I also think that breweries would be at an advantage with this as well, as it eliminates the need for setting up crowd control, security, etc. I know some on here will crucify me for this but hey, if you would rather fight the crowds then so be it. And @Immortale25, I agree wholeheartedly. Tickers who buy the beer intending only to profit off of it is pure BS. Also jacking up the price by the brewery insults the many of us who show love by purchasing the brews. I have passed on many a great beer because of either exorbitant pricing or the fact that secondary markup by these beer scalpers was pure adulteration of the craft. If I miss out on a special release I can always console myself with the plethora of many great beers, readily available to me at reasonable pricing.
     
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  18. Beerisheaven

    Beerisheaven Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Get the beards from Tired Hands, they do a great job.
     
  19. MuFugga

    MuFugga Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2015 Wisconsin

    Me too. I'm just mad that I missed out on the ticket sale last week!
     
  20. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    Well said in that video! There is a certain trust factor between buyer and seller, if either side violates the trust, there is recourse for each side. When people do d-bag things, it will reach a breaking point and it won't be good for anyone.
     
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