False ABVs?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by dripa8, Sep 28, 2015.

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  1. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    This will probably come off as dumb but maybe the same reason that alcohol constricts blood making you feel cold is related to why higher abv beers get colder faster?
     
  2. dripa8

    dripa8 Zealot (647) Sep 19, 2014 Kansas

    No answer is dumb if you are thinking about possible answers. Right now the only dumb answers are the trolls saying my beer was in the freezer too long
     
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  3. Beef_Curtains

    Beef_Curtains Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2013 Ohio

    I don't think New Belgium would print false ABV information on their products. It is probably a factor unrelated to the alcohol content, although I have no idea what.
     
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  4. wordemupg

    wordemupg Grand Pooh-Bah (3,187) Feb 11, 2009 Canada (AB)
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    Were the fresh squeezed bombers and Rampants 330mls?
     
  5. waitwhatamidrinking

    waitwhatamidrinking Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2014 Illinois

    Different bottle shapes/thickness/place in freezer?
     
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  6. algebeeric_topology

    algebeeric_topology Pooh-Bah (2,052) Dec 30, 2014 Florida
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    I was hoping I could quickly answer this with some point about bottle size or aluminum vs can, but it looks like both are mostly packaged in 6 packs of 12 oz bottles.
     
  7. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    I Second size and material its in. Ive noticed myself that cans get colder faster that bottles.
     
  8. PA-Michigander

    PA-Michigander Grand Pooh-Bah (3,372) Nov 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    The 'troll' comments are just proving you shouldn't stick beers in the freezer to the point of them being frozen.

    For a real answer, maybe one can was 3-8 degrees colder when you put them in the freezer. Maybe one part of your freezer is colder than others. There are dozens of better reasons than proven breweries like New Belguim fudging their ABV.
     
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  9. mingo

    mingo Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2013 Arizona

    higher alcohol percentage means less water/solutes per volume. less water/solutes per volume would essentially mean less 'freezable' mass which would result in it freezing faster, no? $.02.
     
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  10. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    Youve got me curious....i didnt read it because it wont hold my attention ill get bored lol but maybe this will help...

    http://thehealthydrinker.com/2012/11/why-alcohol-doesnt-and-does-freeze/


    Also something called the Mpenba? Effect. Hot liquid freezes faster than cold so if you have room temperature compared to refrigerated, put both in a freezer, the warmer one will freeze quicker
     
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  11. IckyT2012

    IckyT2012 Pooh-Bah (2,050) Oct 13, 2014 Florida
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    If that was the only factor, my whiskey would freeze right away rather than not at all.
     
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  12. Smitch

    Smitch Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2014 Wisconsin

    Everything you have been told is a lie and the universe is a reflection of an illusion or you shouldn't leave beer in the freezer for so long.
     
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  13. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Tossed a mix 6 in the freezer and forgot about it while cooking. When I pulled them out the 4 bottles were slushy but the 2 cans were not. No idea on this but I wonder as well.

    Enjoy
     
  14. Absolut

    Absolut Maven (1,353) Sep 19, 2011 California

    Found this online.

    From an article from the University of California at Davis

    The freezing point of a beer is given as Freezing point

    °C = –0.42*ABW + 0.04*OG + 0.2

    ABW is the % of alcohol by weight
    OG is the original gravity of the wort

    On this basis, each 1% increase in alcohol content lowers the
    freezing point by 0.42°C and each increase in gravity of 1°Plato
    (P) raises it by 0.04°C. Thus, no beer will freeze at –1°C, and
    products at higher alcohol concentrations (including high-gravity
    brews prior to dilution) will withstand even lower temperatures.


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    I suspect it has more to do with where the cold air enters your freezer in relation to beer placement.
     
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  15. dripa8

    dripa8 Zealot (647) Sep 19, 2014 Kansas

    I took 2 12oz rampants and 2 12oz fresh squeezed out of my fridge,put them side by side in my freezer, took out a fresh squeezed 5 minutes later, drank it in 15-20 minutes, took out a rampant, drank it,15-20 minutes more, then went to get another rampant. Frozen. Went for the fresh squeezed, not frozen. Drank it. rampant now back in fridge, still frozen. I hope I have now spelled it out exactly for you sticklers. Not accusing NB of anything. Just wondering why. Geesh!
     
  16. Dravin

    Dravin Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2014 Indiana

    Starting temperature and bottle shape can influence how fast the bottles cool and total solutes (which Kuaff talks about) can influence that actual freezing point. In addition to the bottles of beer themselves you have the issue that the freezer itself isn't necessarily the same temperature and it may have cooler and warmer spots and if you are say putting one bottle on a rack and the other tucked in among bags of frozen peas then there will be different rates of heat loss through conduction.

    The point here is there are a lot of variables at play, or potentially at play, beyond just ABV.
     
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  17. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    This formula from essentially says that the OG is the variable in the equation that will determine the difference. More than likely here the OG is not meant to be the Original Gravity but rather the Specific Gravity in the bottle or can.
     
  18. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    putting them in the freezer is not enough evidence to persuade an audience of an abv difference.
     
  19. Ipaupaweallpa

    Ipaupaweallpa Savant (1,022) Dec 26, 2014 Alabama
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    I used to always do the freezer thing. I sometimes still do, but if u have resiny tropical ipas that 20 minutes of freeze just turns it into a bitter non tropical beer until it warms
     
  20. turbotype

    turbotype Savant (1,035) Nov 5, 2013 California

    I do not think anyone lies about ABV. It's not, or at least it shouldn't be something worth lying about.

    The average temperature at which water freezes is 32F. But beer is a solution of a bunch of crap besides water, of course. That would lead me to believe that different beer could freeze at different temperatures, not even factoring in the alcohol content. But again, I just can't see someone lying about that kind of thing. You never know though.

    Some gee wiz for the heck of it. Did you folks know pure water can remain a liquid up to about -40F? It's true! :slight_smile:
     
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