Coffee beans in a blonde ale

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by CADETS3, Sep 29, 2015.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    I'm looking to make an experiment recipe on a blonde ale by adding some vanilla beans and some coffee. For the coffee, I simply want to give it a nice little coffee feel and aroma. Is a really light roast best recommended or should I same a couple different blends? This will be a 3 gallon batch expirement at the most and will be split up into three 1 gallon jugs, (if I decide on 3 gallons). I'll be using u.s. 05 for the brew if that helps.
     
  2. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    The beer will also be getting 1/2 lb of raw honey along with 1/2 lb of maple cane syrup.
     
  3. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Just to be clear, you're looking to brew a vanilla maple honey coffee blonde ale?
     
    hey5hitgoose and fistfight like this.
  4. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Where does the blonde ale come in?
     
  5. Davl22

    Davl22 Maven (1,341) Sep 27, 2011 New Hampshire
    Trader

    Geez let him do his thing! Home brewing is all about experimentation.

    I would use light roast and go very light on the coffee, you can always add more beans later if its not enough for you. I personally would choose the maple syrup over the honey. I think the maple will compliment the coffee, plus adding all that extra sugar is going to dry your beer out a ton. Hope everything turns out tasty and post back here with the results! :slight_smile:
     
  6. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Eh? I was asking about his recipe, i.e. why he's calling it a blonde. That said, he is not likely to get any maple flavor even if it's 1/2lb to 1 gallon.
     
    dmtaylor likes this.
  7. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

  8. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Alright, i have some things to clear up...

    First, the maple syrup that i use is a maple syrup that cracker barrel sells. It is 55% pure maple syrup and the other 45% is cane sugar, @OldSock

    Next, @CurtFromHershey yes, i would like to make this brew. martin house brewing company has a beer called counter-clockwise that i absolutely loved. since i am not good at all at making my recipes based on taste, (even though i have a great pallet for beer), i decided to try and make my own spin on this. I didn't want to have a huge coffee presence but i do want the essence to be present.

    Last, this is the recipe that i have listed below that turned out amazing on this blonde ale that everyone absolutely loved. I brewed this recipe for my 26th birthday this april.

    7 lbs 5.8 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 62.0 %
    1 lbs 13.4 oz White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 2 15.5 %
    9.8 oz Oats, Flaked (1.0 SRM) Grain 3 5.2 %
    9.8 oz Rye, Flaked (2.0 SRM) Grain 4 5.2 %
    1.1 oz Honey Malt (25.0 SRM)

    0.55 oz Northern Brewer [8.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 17.4 IBUs
    0.55 oz Strisslespalt [4.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 7 3.0 IBUs
    4.4 oz Milk Sugar (Lactose) [Boil for 10 min](0.0 SRM) Sugar 8 2.3 %
    0.55 oz Strisslespalt [4.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 9 1.6 IBUs
    1 lbs 1.7 oz Honey (1.0 SRM) Sugar 11 9.3 %
    almost 12 oz. of cracker barrel's pure maple syrup that i stated above

    1.1 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml] Yeast 10 -

    The maple syrup had a very light addition to the beer flavor but was absolutely present. The aroma of the maple syrup was present as well. However, it seemed that the maple syrup faded away as the beer sat in the keg.
     
  9. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    @OldSock
    Did you ever go back into this recipe and change a few things to it? Reading your recipe sounds very exciting. How does all of the 1.0 oz cascade additions fair with this?

    Oh and, why the s-04? just curious, trying to pick your brain.
     
  10. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    I haven't returned to that recipe yet. Tasting notes to answer your question on the hop schedule (in a word, lackluster - should have dry hopped with another ounce or two).

    S-04 is a solid strain. I like English yeast with American hops, especially in a lower gravity beer where you want to build in as much character as possible.
     
  11. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    If you're wanting maple flavor I would advise using at the very least 1lb to 1 gallon, and using the absolute darkest syrup you can purchase. Using 100% Grade A (known as Light now I believe) would probably not give you the maple flavor you're looking for...and the stuff you're planning to use is cut with cane sugar, which further reduces the maple potency.
     
    dmtaylor likes this.
  12. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    I wouldn't be surprised if it's artificially flavored to compensate. That flavor would hold up better than natural maple flavor in beer.

    @CADETS3 Using a maple extract might be more economical for imparting maple flavor
     
    JohnSnowNW likes this.
  13. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Certainly a possibility...I don't have any experience with artificial flavorings outside vanilla and almond...and would not use either in a beer. Pure extracts are certainly contenders though.
     
    CurtFromHershey likes this.
  14. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    So the maple syrup that I am currently using is more of a ferments me sugar than pure maple syrup? So I'm only really adding more food for my yeast as opposed to flavor to my beer?

    Also, on a side note...if I want to impose an artificial flavor into a beer by adding flavored vodka, are there any general rules to go by? I understand that it just depends on how much flavor you're wanting, I just don't want to give my beer a liquor taste by adding too much.
     
  15. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    If you're bottling and are adding to taste then, you'll need to factor in the sugars in your priming calculations
     
  16. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah

    Any maple sugar, imitation or natural, is pure sugar and will cause fermentation, which as mentioned above will dry out your beer. It's just a question about which product to use to have the best chance to keep some of the maple flavor in the beer. I have not been successful on my two tries with natural syrup, nor have I read any strong success stories that would allow me to tell you how best to do it. There have been threads on this 'maple' topic in the past, so you might want to search for them to read up on all of the opinions for how you want to arrive at your own opinion and choice.
     
    DrMindbender likes this.
  17. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina


    If you add some cacao nibs, you'll basically have a White Stout recipe. I brew a White Stout every year that turns out fantastic! I'd go with the lighter roast coffee and for a 5 gallon batch I like to add an ounce or so, course ground, at flameout for about 10 minutes just like a hopstand and then add around 2 or so ounces cold pressed at kegging. The cold pressed coffee flavor goes away quickly in a beer like this and then leaves the flavors hanging just a little as it ages. I add the "beanstand" in there to add some flavor that tends to stick around longer and a very slight astringency that reminds the taste buds that there is coffee in this brew. Most folks like my white stout/vanilla chocolate coffee blonde and I could have won first at a small local competition with it if I would have entered under the "Blonde Ale" category instead of the "Stout" category...all of the judges came up to me afterwards, told me this and then asked for the recipe:slight_smile:

    IMO, screw that Cracker Barrel maple syrup combo stuff and go get a lesser grade (B if you can find it) syrup somewhere else, as many others have mentioned. I'd think about adding it at high krausen to get the most flavor and aroma, instead of adding it into the boil, where much of these molecules are destroyed. This technique works well with honey, so I would think it would work similarly with maple syrup. Good luck!
     
    dmtaylor likes this.
  18. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Well, would you mind sharing your recipe?!
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I don't doubt that this was a tasty beer, but a beer with vanilla, chocolate, and coffee ought to score terribly as a Blonde Ale too, assuming it was a BJCP competition. Spice/herb/vegetable beer would be the ticket.
     
    DrMindbender likes this.
  20. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    At work right now and don't have the recipe with me...later this evening when I get home, I'll pass it on.

    The variety and freshness of the coffee makes a HUGE difference as to how the beer will turn out. I look for a smooth flavor without too many extreme side notes/detractors that could send the beer in a different direction than desired. I've found that around the upstate of SC, The Fresh Market has the best coffee I've ever used in a beer in their "Fresh Market Medium Blend". I've tried maybe 6-8 different coffees in beer and the 2 batches I made with this blend got the best compliments from drinkers. It seems there are Fresh Markets in Texas, but I'm not sure if you are remotely near one. Taste as much coffee as you can to pick your variety, and make sure you can imagine that blend in a beer...you can always cold press some of that coffee and add it to a commercial beer to see what you think of it before using on your batch.
     
    #20 DrMindbender, Sep 30, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2015
    CADETS3 likes this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.