Cranking up diacetyl

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  1. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Alright, so brewing up a beer that I worked on earlier this year based on a recipe out of Budweiser's RPB facility. So my biggest concern is to crank up the diacetyl since this is obviously something I've gone through great lengths to extinguish from my beers for years.
    So plan is to ferment cold for about 10 days, underpitching the yeast and get right into keg for serving. Plan is to use Wyeast 2206 since it claims to be a high diacetyl producer:
    http://www.wyeastlab.com/hb_yeaststrain_detail.cfm?ID=132

    Anybody have other suggestions for yeast or techniques that may increase the diacetyl and help it become a butterscotch bomb?
     
  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Dude, I have a great idea... ferment as normal, then just get a to go cup from the local Cinemark...
     
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  3. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    You want diacetyl on purpose, eh? I haven't experienced diacetyl with the 2206. Think I might have gotten it from WLP820 or 2308 maybe, I can't remember which one. Nothing a little warmth and time couldn't fix, but then of course you won't be doing that.

    Oh. Be sure to rack the beer to secondary very quickly, like after the first 2 or 3 days, to prevent 90% of the yeast from eating the diacetyl. Sounds like a newb thing, but I'm sure that's why I got diacetyl way back when, racked too quickly.
     
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  4. FenderOffset238

    FenderOffset238 Zealot (627) May 27, 2012 Pennsylvania
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  5. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Put the carboy in the direct heat/sun. Lol
     
  6. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Just wondering how that will cause Diacetyl?
     
  7. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Eh, no diacetyl correlation but the other unwanted flavors may balance the butterscotch bomb.
     
  8. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    On a recent batch of cream ale, I purposely aimed for DMS. I did a very weak boil, with the lid on, short boil, pilsner malt. Success. It's not a huge DMS flavor, but it's definitely there.
     
  9. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Boy, brewing to produce diacetyl just gives me the chills.

    If I wanted to encourage diacetyl I would brew with the Ringwood strain (Wyeast 1187) and make sure that I discourage the yeast from ‘cleaning up’ at the end of fermentation. Maybe once my anticipated FG is achieved cold crash the beer to make the cells go dormant.

    This sort of process seems to work for the commercial breweries that utilize Pugsley brewing systems.

    Cheers!
     
  11. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    You are definetely a beer geek...nothing like homemade off flavor kit : )
     
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  12. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Definitely am a beer geek. BJCP says about cream ale: "A low to moderate corny flavor from corn adjuncts is commonly found, as is some DMS." Oh yeah..... I did also use flaked maize. So there's that as well.
     
  13. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Cold crash it before the yeast are done, and I mean get it down to 30F. PU is said to target a gravity, then crash the yeast.
     
  14. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Rack it early. You really should. Plus chill.
     
  15. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Shivers just ran down my spine...want the diacetyl (butterscotch/butter) without the esters of ole ringwood. Not a bad thought though...but was thinking about doing that with a lager strain that wouldn't provide the esters of an ale yeast.
    Basically going for a snickerdoodle like cookie flavor in a beer. Co-worker who went out to Budweiser's RPB facility said this was definitely the most stand-out of the beers in their line-up in regards to head turners. Said the diacetyl melded so well with the Victory & cinnamon and it all worked. So been wanting to do it for awhile now...just have never tried to coax diacetyl into a beer.

    Thinking of Scoby & Hall's Czech Lager presentation at NHC...okay, so maybe not a full on butterscotch bomb...but diacetyl is present.
     
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  16. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    I was about to ask why you specifically wanted diacetyl, but you just answered it.
    FWIW, I brewed the Imperial Oatmeal Stout from that article, (only switching the yeast to Wyeast's Irish Ale instead of the lager yeast - that always gives me good results with stouts)
    Even though I forgot to add the lactose, it still came out really good.
    I hate to think if ABInbev actually wanted to market it, what they could do.
     
  17. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Email southern tier about that creme brulee stout of theirs. I am positive they could help ya out.
     
  18. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I brewed two beers this year with BRY-97 and had to contend with diacetyl in both. It seemed to develop, or at least my palate only noticed it, after I kegged and carbonated the beers. I think I kegged each after 2 weeks, but more time was needed, I guess. Anyhow, less esters than Ringwood.
     
  19. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Good to know, as I have a pack of BRY-97 in the fridge to use up one of these days. I've heard it's a long lagger as well, but that if done right, it's a great yeast. So we'll soon see.
     
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  20. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I ended up pulling the kegs, releasing the pressure, letting them warm up to ambient cellar temps. I made a 500 mL starter with 34/70 dry lager yeast (it was either that or wine yeast) allowed the yeast to get active overnight, pitched it into the kegs (each got ! half a pack's worth), and waited three more weeks. It got better.
     
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