Bud IPA?

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  1. brewme

    brewme Grand Pooh-Bah (4,014) Mar 1, 2014 Massachusetts
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    With IPA being such a dominant style in the craft-beer industry, I am curious why Bud / Miller / Coors don't come out with an IPA under the flagship, instead of top-secret, phony-baloney names. Not that I would drink them...just curious....
     
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  2. rrock44

    rrock44 Pooh-Bah (2,137) Oct 27, 2009 Washington
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    Perhaps it is cheaper to buy an established "craft" brewery that already has an IPA in their portfolio than develop their own?
     
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  3. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Under the Bud name, the end product will have to go through many corporate departments to see how they will eventually sell and market the beer. Each of those departments will impact how it eventually tastes in the end. In the case of the Bud American Ale of a few years ago, the end product became diluted by the process. Here's @Jason in a recent post:
    from here:
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...-decision-maker-at-inbev.340339/#post-4117544

    They seem to be better off having an existing product to sell, with its own established history, and taking it from there.
     
  4. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    I don't think it really fits with their brand and market. They're trying for mass appeal (bud light) and the crowd that gets turnt up at the club on a Tuesday (platinum). I think they'd rather just do that under different labels and keep their brand consistent.
     
  5. Raime

    Raime Pooh-Bah (1,935) Jun 4, 2012 North Korea
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    I'd say give it a shot. Can't be worse than the Guinness Nitro IPA.
     
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  6. Tripel_Threat

    Tripel_Threat Grand Pooh-Bah (4,302) Jun 29, 2014 Michigan
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    The big issue I see with Bud IPA is that it would be an orphan out of the gate. Bud drinkers don't want an IPA, they want sweet adjuncts. And IPA drinkers aren't going to be buying Bud IPA outside of curiosity. Bud knows (for the most part) where their bread gets buttered.
     
  7. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    The Bud American Ale wasn't such a bad product IMO. These types of beers or just not in focus as a core brand for AB, so after a short time, they generally die (Bud Light Platinum & Co.). Every once in a while the Marketing Department gives it the old college try....
     
  8. bkov33

    bkov33 Zealot (666) Dec 5, 2007 New Jersey

    they did bud American ale...which was a decent red pale ale, but it didn't live long
     
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  9. ScaryEd

    ScaryEd Grand Pooh-Bah (3,793) Feb 19, 2012 New Hampshire
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    ISO: Buddy Topper
     
  10. VitisVinifera

    VitisVinifera Pundit (879) Feb 25, 2013 California

    1. Proper IPA hops are expensive and in short supply
    2. Short shelf life and refrigeration requirement of IPAs
     
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  11. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Why "water down" (no pun intended) the brand that is outselling any craft beer 10 gazillions to 1? Just buy established craft brands and save all that marketing $ etc etc. idea likely does not make business sense.
     
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  12. Traquairlover

    Traquairlover Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2007 Virginia

    You kind of answer your own question here. Who would be the market? Bud drinkers who want to try something new but are afraid to try brands they don't recognize? Seems prett niche.
     
  13. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    If they want a good ipa they'll buy the company that makes it. It wouldn't make sense to tie up their brewing facilities when they sell a ton of Bud Light and Budweiser.
     
  14. DarkerTheBetter

    DarkerTheBetter Pooh-Bah (2,295) Sep 30, 2005 Minnesota
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    I think it's 100% branding too. These classic lagers hearken back to an older age. It's the beer your dad, mom, or grandparents first let you take a sip of. This seem to occupy a very distinct and iconic place in the American psyche, and any radical break from this would only go to awaken the consumer to the burgeoning world of craft beer rather than keep their attention firmly rooted in the past.
     
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  15. DarkerTheBetter

    DarkerTheBetter Pooh-Bah (2,295) Sep 30, 2005 Minnesota
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    If Bud could create a passable IPA for $20 a case, I'd be interested.
     
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  16. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    One factor is that they know that there will be an anti-Bud bias from many craft beer drinkers who abstain from buying from big companies for "ethical" reasons. That's why they deliberately have their name off of some of their "crafty" brands, so they look like micros or little craft beer breweries.

    Also they might not want a faithful Bud drinker to accidentally buy and not like it, whereas those faithful are within safer parameters if they try a Bud dry, or Bud Ice, etc.
     
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  17. lomeister

    lomeister Crusader (439) Jul 25, 2006 Massachusetts

    I would buy a case for the Friday Beer crew at work. More cheap, drinkable beer means more $ left in the budget for good beer!
     
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  18. lomeister

    lomeister Crusader (439) Jul 25, 2006 Massachusetts

    But anyway, Budweiser has the "Macro We Stand" campaign going on right now. They are trying to position themselves against the craft brew industry.
     
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  19. DVMin98

    DVMin98 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,125) Nov 1, 2010 North Carolina
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    I think it would be difficult for them to make one like they do with regular Bud. They have strict guidelines in order to make every budweiser taste exactly the same. I think there would be too many possible variables for a Bud IPA to be super consistent.
     
  20. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I think this is the reason. Craft drinkers - not all of whom even like IPAs, but who are certainly the majority of IPA drinkers - hate Budweiser. From my point of view, many BAs (and in the real world, outside of BA, many craft-loving hipsters) hate AB-Inbev with a pathological fire. It's not just AB-Inbev, either; look at the words spilled denouncing Sam Adams (BBC) as too big, not crafty, and just plain not good beer.

    People like to hate. Thus, even if - if - Bud put out a decent-to-good IPA, it would get slammed by the people who like IPAs the most. The ratings on this and other sites would be pathetically low, simply out of principle. Many others would simply not purchase it, as there is an undeniable subset of craft drinkers who don't buy products from "the big guys" (also out of principle).

    And the Bud crowd? They don't want an IPA! They want a beer that is not particularly bitter, goes down very easy, sits in the stomach like water (not like beer), and which they can toss down can after can after can without feeling much in the way of effects. They may drink Bud specifically for sentimental or peculiar reasons, but they drink AALs in general because they like them. Nothing about an IPA has any amount of crossover appeal for an AAL drinker.

    That's why. :wink:
     
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