Furthering Your Beer Education

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by scurvy311, Oct 14, 2015.

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  1. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Beyond reading books, forums, and online static material, what are the school/online options out there where one can up their beer education, taking budget into account (it's not 0$ but I can't fly to Chicago to Seibel either)? Is it UC Davis, Seibel, or nothing or are their smaller and less expensive alternatives? I'm interested in something between UCDavis and interning scrubbing tanks at a brewery. I have a lot of free time between June and August every summer. Any suggestions from experience?
     
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  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    OSU (Oregon State) has a program, not sure how the budget is for it though, and they also do some courses through Portland State as well. And you would get some awesome PNW beer that way.
     
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  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    BJCP is often overlooked as an educational resource ...even though it's certification and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee : )
     
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  4. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    ABG (American Brewers Guild) runs a few different online programs.
     
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  5. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Metro state university of Denver has a class going on with Tivoli brewing I believe, CSU also has a brewing class as well. Another program through USC Pueblo involves a class that goes on once a week for six weeks or so, and you brew on premises with a local brewery. Of course there is cicerone and BJCP as well.
     
  6. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    What are your ambitions with this further brewing education @scurvy311 ?
     
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  7. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I enjoy learning about the subject. So primarily for fun/increasing my knowledge. I work in education so I enjoy the interaction and engagement of the classroom/online experience. I can retire in 14-15 years and like many on here I have friends that are considering (or actually) opening a brewery. I would never quit my job, but I would love to increase the quality of my beers and learn more of the how and why. If that means I can be an asset to my friends, that's a real bonus.
     
  8. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I feel like I have seen some academic brewing programs pop up at a few universities in southern states (he said, noting that you are from Louisiana). Maybe Auburn? And something in Tennessee? Details escape me, but google should help you.


    You said something about opening a brewery in retirement. That sounds like a perfectly good way to lose what you saved for retirement without actually reaping the benefits of retiring. (He said, thinking about how hard it is going to be to retire unless one has saved and invested well).
     
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  9. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    While it's not online Ed, volunteering at a local brewery can increase you knowledge base fairly rapidly. It's good to note that you might be doing a lot of grunt work like unloading trucks, cleaning mash tuns/fermenters bottling and other low level work. But being around an active brewery one can,t help picking up a lot of info.
     
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  10. IPeteA91

    IPeteA91 Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2012 Texas

    The one-week short course at UCDavis is fantastic! Bring your A-game because Dr Bamforth will fill you with as much brewing science as you can handle. I would love to take a short course in their yeast lab.
     
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  11. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    Who knew it was good for $2 off a cup of coffee!
     
  12. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Seibel Institute has many short courses. They are not cheap, and they aren't local either. Chicago Montreal or go all out and obtain a degree from the Chicago and Doemans Germany campus.

    I took the draft beer class in 2006 at MicroMatic. That was well worth the tuition and I learned way more than I expected. Led to a small LLC based on the experience as well. MM has a few courses each year in 4 locations across the country.
    Good luck.
     
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  13. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I mean if you really enjoy the class room, you could get a degree in biochemistry. That will teach you nearly everything you need to know about the technical side of brewing.
     
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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  15. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Gonna disagree on this...while you can learn tons on the technical side of brewing in biochem...there is a ton more of practical, hands-on stuff that you're never gonna learn in a classroom alone (coming from a former biochem person). You need to get out there, talk to those that have been brewing for years and get into a larger brewhouse yourself. If you enjoy the experience, then look into the brewing education. That's my 2cents
     
  16. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Find a mentor who likes to teach, brew, and drink...in that order : )
     
  17. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Of course. It's only half the tale. But he said he enjoyed classroom academia.
     
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  18. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Scale has a lot to do with it. Smaller breweries benefit from cross training team members on most tasks. I think you'll find that most smaller craft breweries require most, if not all, members of the brew team to do those tasks in addition to making the beer. All four members of the brew team I'm a part of (including our head brewer) do. Larger scale breweries have more employees and hence more specialized work roles that they perform. That point aside, yes a volunteer at a brewery will naturally be given the least skilled jobs first. Prepare to fold boxes, wash kegs, carry stuff, etc.
     
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  19. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I agree 100% and followed that exact path myself. I volunteered 3+ days a week at a brewery for a few months before starting my 6 month brewing certification program. I continued to volunteer at that brewery while going to brewing school. I knew going into that After 9 months of volunteering and graduating, I was offered a full time brewer position at a different brewery. Although I will point out that it's becoming more common for a brewery to require you to have the formal education in order to extend you a chance to do most of the practical hands on stuff. There will always be breweries who will let you volunteer to do some unskilled labor tasks, but most won't trust just anybody with brewing and cellar tasks. Nor will most invest too much time into training a volunteer on such tasks. An important factor is just how much time and effort you are willing to volunteer. A brewery is more likely to make the effort to give a volunteer an apprenticeship if you go in and work for free for 3-5 days a week, don't flake out and call out often, and actually get a lot done while working.
     
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  20. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Thanks for the leads. I do not plan on opening a brewery after retirement, but I do plan on significantly upping my brews in repeatability, experimentation, and time spent in the industry. I would love to be an asset to other Brewers but I plan on enjoying my retirement on my terms.

    I have looked around there just isn't much firsthand reviews. I was hopeful that some on the forum had the "diamond in the rough" slash "<insert program here> is the one you should do. You can stop looking."
     
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