Im new to cellaring beer, looking for tips/advice.

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by aecliptic, Oct 16, 2015.

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  1. aecliptic

    aecliptic Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2015 New York

    So this year was my eye opening experience to craft beer. Before that, what most here would consider regular stuff, Id consider craft. Now Ive begun to really get into craft beers, mainly cellaring right now, and hopefully trading in the near future.

    What Im wondering is, is there an appropriate way to cellar beer, quantity wise? What beers are worth cellaring and which ones arent? Over the last 6 months, Ive been ridiculously overwhelmed with all the beer info, I need some help.

    Heres what I have: (is it worth aging all of this or did I go out of my way to blow a shit ton of money, lol.)
    2x Mexican Cake (2015)
    1x Abt 12 Oak Aged
    2x Narwhal BA
    2x Mogli
    3x Double Negative
    2x Speedway
    4x Bomb! 12oz
    3x Bourbon County (2013) 12oz
    2x Bourbon County Coffee (2013) 12ox
    3x Frost Monster 12oz
    2x From Amager With Love
    2x Black Ops (2014)
    1x Black Ops (2013)
    2x Stone RIS
    1x Old Stock 2013 Cellar Reserve
    2x Otter Creek Imperial Series RIS (no idea on year)
    2x Alternate Side
    2x Even More Jesus
    1x Dragons Milk
    2x Intensified Coffee Porter BA
    2x Big Lushious
    1x Black Friday
    1x Wild Streak BA
    1x Devine Retribution
    1x The Reverend
     
  2. RDMII

    RDMII Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    PLENTY of info on this already, both here and on the intraweb. Plus everyone is going to give you varied opinions, so you're not going to get any concrete facts no matter what you ask.
     
  3. aecliptic

    aecliptic Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2015 New York

    Im, more or less, just trying to get information about my current stock of beers and whether Im picking the right stuff to age or not. Because, to be honest, Im spending a lot of money and I want to know if my investment is worth while.
     
  4. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Beer is a consumable, it's made for drinking. That's what I hate about the beer trading culture.

    My advice would be to always have drank the beer fresh before aging it. Only age it for a reason you think will improve the flavor. Based on my experiments, really only happens with beers that are "hot" with alcohol heat, or have a lot of strong, sharp flavors that need time to meld and smooth out.

    Also, start off will beers that you can buy off the shelf.
     
  5. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    As jmdrpi said, beer is made for drinking, so don't go overboard on cellaring. I am not an expert on this, but from spending a lot of time on this site I can offer the following:

    Drink the Mexican Cake so the spices don't fade.
    Stone RIS is a great beer to age
     
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  6. aecliptic

    aecliptic Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2015 New York

    Well the investment is for my belly. =p

    Pretty much all of the beer I have are all 10%+ ABV.
     
  7. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Well that's good then.

    I have stopped buying extras of Imperial Stouts to age. Anything bourbon barrel or coffee added I prefer fresh, since those flavors are the whole point of the beer. As for "regular" stouts, most have changed slightly, but not necessarily "better", just different.

    The largest improvements I've seen have been with barleywines, old ales, and Belgian-style strong dark ales.
     
  8. aecliptic

    aecliptic Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2015 New York

    Interesting, because most of the stuff I have are Stouts and Porters, which supposedly age very well because of the higher ABVs. However, you might have a point about regular stouts vs. flavored stouts.

    I guess the Mexican Cake that I have thats been sitting for 6 months I should prob cut into. However I have a bottle of Mephistopheles that I think needs a good aging, drank it fresh and it was harsh!
     
  9. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Mephistopheles and World Wide Stoust are definitely in need of aging, and both improve a ton. I would say Black Ops got a good bit better too. Just most of the others I've aged haven't done that much, tasting them typically at like 2, 3 ,4 years.
     
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  10. aecliptic

    aecliptic Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2015 New York

    Ah Im waiting on World Wide Stout to hit the shelves. I noticed theres a couple DFH brews that age well.
    I just recently got a couple 12oz bottles of 2013 BCBS and BCBCS, which Ive read age very nicely.

    Looks like Ill be slowly going through some of those bottles so I dont lose some of those flavors that make the beer. I might crack open a Double Negative and From Amager With Love, I dont want to lose those fruit flavors without trying them.
     
  11. MunsonRoyE

    MunsonRoyE Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2015 North Carolina

    Bomb! is delicious at 6 months old, drank at cellar temp... BA Narwhal was tough to drink fresh, but it was a lot better at 6 months and 8 months.

    Let me know if you want to trade away any World Wide Stouts when they the shelves. I'd like to get a few of them for the cellar.
     
  12. aecliptic

    aecliptic Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2015 New York

    Ill let you know if I do Munson
     
  13. boilermakerbrew

    boilermakerbrew Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2010 Indiana

    To me, it sounds like you are well on your way to knowing what to cellar. It is really dependent on your tastes.

    Like said above, if you liked the habanero heat on Mexican Cake, it will only fade over time, but it is fine to age. The BA Narwhal I would suggest aging, mainly because regular Narwhal is a little too bitter for me, but that is my preference to a mellowed out stout.

    And the one thing everyone (probably) will agree on is Stone IRS. Great fresh, great after 1 year, great after 2 years, and I can't speak past that because I can never hold off that long.
     
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  14. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    Pick up the book vintage beer, it's really cheap on amazon and definitely worth the read.
     
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  15. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    ^^^^What he said.

    And I'll echo what another poster said concerning the ones with coffee: drink them sooner or later because coffee certainly fades. Other than that, the rest of what you have are all good candidates for cellaring, just make sure you know what they taste like fresh so you can actually see what the impact of aging has done to the beer.
     
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  16. buckeye1275

    buckeye1275 Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2013 Delaware

    However, as some flavors like coffee, spice and hops fade other flavors open up and are sometimes very enjoyable. Just drank a 2012 Palo Santo the other night. The woody notes were lessened and it was sweeter and more complex.

    The bottom line is you have to experiment and keep track of what you aged, how long, and how you liked it. I also recommend drinking every beer you cellar fresh and keeping notes. You will find some that you enjoy fresh and do not want to aged.

    Aging beer is a very subjective hobby. Every person has their own tastes and likes. Yes, there are a few rules you can follow but it's really up to your personal preferences. Experiment, enjoy and let us know how it turned out.
     
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  17. headbangingteacher

    headbangingteacher Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2015 Maryland

    I'm with Buckeye. That's why I really enjoy some Breakfast Stout with a year or so on it. The coffee retreats just enough to create a whole new flavor profile that is really up my alley. Being willing to experiment a bit might lead you to enjoying some beers with a little time on them that most others prefer fresh only.
     
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  18. aecliptic

    aecliptic Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2015 New York

    Thanks a lot for all the info everyone. Its a bit of an expensive endeavor because it requires 2 or 3 bottles (unless youre getting something that comes in a 4 pack, then I buy 5 to drink 1 fresh and bury the 4 pack).

    I think Ill start a log book to keep track of everything.
     
  19. MunsonRoyE

    MunsonRoyE Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2015 North Carolina

    You'll definitely want to log everything on a spreadsheet so you can keep up with it all. And then you'll start to realize that you've probably gone too far, but you just can't stop yourself! :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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