@SquirrelsBrews : trade issue resolved

Discussion in 'Bad Traders' started by Matthew_Reagor, Oct 29, 2015.

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  1. Matthew_Reagor

    Matthew_Reagor Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2014 Oklahoma

    So I've only ever done two online trades before... The first trade was awesome and he communicated very well, but this time it has not been as great. It was a last minute trade request where I said I'd ship the beer first and he'd send me what he thought it would be worth. He received my package on 9/9/15... So he said that he was looking for beers to send back and that he would ship asap. Well I contacted on 9/25 and he said he went by a brewery and they did not have the beer that he wanted to send, and that he'd go back by the next weekend as he didn't want to short me. I thought that was pretty cool. So I waited till 10/15/15 and texted to see if he had shipped yet, he said no but that he had everything and was going to ship that week. Well, after that I waited until 10/23/15 and asked if he shipped yet, with no response. Then I asked again on 10/27/15, again with no response.

    This guy has done a ton of trades and seemed really nice, so I don't want to use his name yet, but when should I tag him?

    Thanks in advance for the advice.
     
  2. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
    In Memoriam Pooh-Bah Trader

    Do I understand he contacted you out of the blue for this trade? Do I understand that since he received your box he has not contacted you, but only responded to your attempts to contact him?

    I think you may need to phone or text message him, and tell him he needs to get your box out ASAP, and if it isn't out before next Tuesday you will be tagging him here, and changing the name of the thread to Bad Trader, and including his user name.

    He may just be one of those assholes who is notoriously slow, especially to new guys. Sometimes these slow guys need some additional motivation. You did right posting this IMO.
     
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  3. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    Since he has your beer *supposedly* to send your way and ignored your messages....why wait to post his name. I say tag them irregardless of how many trades they have. It's been over a month and a half.
     
  4. pagriley

    pagriley Pooh-Bah (2,382) Oct 27, 2014 Illinois
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    He has had your package for 6 weeks?! If so, waaaayyy too long.

    Before you tag him though, you should gather the details and post them too. How you organized / communicated the original trade (was it a response to a post, a prior trade partner texting, etc...), what was agreed, if there a trade in the system (you don't have an open trade but they delete themselves after a while if no feedback is left), etc...

    For these threads it really helps to have all the details and specifics in a single post, so everyone can read it all in one go, and the other person can respond accordingly.

    Don't worry if you don't have every detail, this is more about giving people a clear picture of your side of things.
     
  5. bigda83

    bigda83 Crusader (453) Feb 13, 2014 New York
    Trader

    I could be wrong, but it sounds like you're saying you've traded with this person before. Your feedback only shows two rates and both by the same user.
     
  6. KSOZE

    KSOZE Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2015 Ohio

    Tag him. This is inappropriate behavior and it seems like he is taking advantage of a new trader. You sent him beer and he'd "decide" what to send you based on what he deemed it was worth? Then waits 1.5+ months before sending? If there's not more to this story, this stinks.
     
  7. glass_house

    glass_house Maven (1,325) Jan 10, 2014 Ohio

    My thoughts exactly. On the surface it sounds like, at bare minimum, an explanation is required from the party in question. I can't imagine having received someone's box and not reciprocated in 6 days, let alone 6 weeks. If the last 2 requests for an update have been ignored, that doesn't bode well.
     
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  8. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
    In Memoriam Pooh-Bah Trader

    I suggested threatening him privately by phone, and holding off so that he could give the guy a chance to make good, and four days doesn't sound like too long to wait before this guy potentially scams other folks.

    Sometimes I think tagging someone as a bad trader without giving the "one last chance" option can push people into being bad traders.

    Op said this guy has lots of trades, perhaps threatening him with losing all the good will he has built up will motivate him to action.
     
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  9. pagriley

    pagriley Pooh-Bah (2,382) Oct 27, 2014 Illinois
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I agree with @cavedave - assuming you haven't already sent the "hey buddy, we need to close this out - you need to ship this week" you should send that first.

    If you have already done that though then time to out them. It is your call on f you have given a direct "hey wtf" message or not
     
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  10. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish Pooh-Bah (2,116) May 11, 2012 Missouri
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    What exactly did you send him? Whatever it is, I'm interested to see what he deems it to be "worth." I really hope this isn't a situation where a veteran is trying to take advantage of a new trader.

    Also, was the trade system on BA used? I don't see any open trades.
     
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  11. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    Or perhaps *shaming* them (tagging) publicly will enduce more of a threat to follow through.

    Not sure what else OP can do since he's already sent messages that continue to be *ignored*.

    (42) days + to me seems longgggggg enough, especially with no communication on when the trader in question is going to follow through on their commitment. I'm one of the most laid back people, but this is ridiculous.
     
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  12. KSOZE

    KSOZE Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2015 Ohio

    Yeah, I think it's been long enough. Messages went from being returned to NOT being returned.

    OP, was this a trade submitted through the feedback system? I see no pending trades for you.
     
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  13. Matthew_Reagor

    Matthew_Reagor Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2014 Oklahoma

    So... This was a trade that I proposed.

    I knew that he was looking for prairie and willows beers so I asked him for a trade.

    I didn't just send prairie and willows, so I told him to wait until he got the box and send back what he thought was fair.

    He has a good rating, and knows way more about beer than I do, and seems like a good guy. That's why I decided to let him determine what he thought the beers I sent him were worth before he shipped back. I don't know a lot about beer trading, so I didn't want to rip him off or make him not want to trade with me anymore.

    He received the package and I believe he honestly was trying to get me back beers. Still don't think the guy is a bad guy, but almost 2 weeks without hearing from him has made me worried.
     
  14. PA-Michigander

    PA-Michigander Grand Pooh-Bah (3,372) Nov 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Did you use the trade feedback system?
     
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  15. Matthew_Reagor

    Matthew_Reagor Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2014 Oklahoma

    I did not use the feedback system, but the guy is verified. I figured since we had traded before it wouldn't be a problem...
     
  16. Matthew_Reagor

    Matthew_Reagor Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2014 Oklahoma

    I'd be fine waiting, but with no communication it feels like I've been left high and dry. I don't want to think that he'd do that, but I see him posting every day on untapped (kinda went cyber stalky about a week ago) and it kinda ticks me off....
     
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  17. Vivified

    Vivified Initiate (0) Jul 9, 2014 California

    Tag him. Wayy too long to not send a package and go radio silent.
     
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  18. Matthew_Reagor

    Matthew_Reagor Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2014 Oklahoma

    A good friend just told me to try and contact him with Twitter. I just did and I'll give him until the end of the day. I work till 1:30am, so I think that's plenty of time for him to contact me back with that. If he doesn't respond by the end of my shift, I'll tag him here. I really hope he does respond. Like I said, he seems like a nice guy. Just don't know what happened....
     
  19. KSOZE

    KSOZE Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2015 Ohio

    Pretty clear at this point who the guy is, but I agree OP should tag him.
     
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  20. tommyz

    tommyz Initiate (0) May 28, 2007 Michigan

    Yep, a guy with that many trades, treating a newbie like this is a little disrespectful...
     
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