Mislabeling Beer at Bars.

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  1. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    I recently visited an establishment that posted they had Boneyard Notorious on tap. We don't get Boneyard in Colorado, so I raced down because of the rare appearance. Now I am somewhat familiar with most Boneyard beers, having had Notorious, Hop Venom and RPM numerous times in Oregon.

    I arrived and noticed it had the Hop Venom tap handle. I immediately thought "well they may just be using an old tap handle because they do not have the Notorious handle." But when i tasted the actual beer, it tasted exactly like what I remember Hop Venom tasting like, and not Notorious.

    I know taste is subjective and memory changes over time, but Notorious is a big, sweet, boozy, abrasive beer, and this tasted more balanced and mellow like Pliny usually is.

    I don't know if it really was Hop Venom but I do have my suspicions.

    Has a bar/establishment ever tapped a beer they supposedly "had" but upon tasting you knew it was not in fact that beer?
     
  2. unhyped

    unhyped Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2015 Oregon

    notorious and hop venom do taste very different in my opinion but then again to me notorious tastes more balanced and rounded than hop venom does.
     
  3. balmand

    balmand Devotee (323) Oct 18, 2015 New Jersey

    I once got a pint of Grapefruit Sculpin that to this day I swear wasn't the same beer. It was extremely watery and flavorless. Not sure what other beer it could have been though
     
  4. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Did you question the bar tender/bar manager? I think there's something illegal about advertising one beer under a tap handle and serving another.

    Nonetheless, I was at a bar with a friend some years ago in late November. We were enjoying Spaten Helles when the keg blew and the bar tender told us they'd swap it quickly.

    As they poured our next glasses I noticed the beer was a few shades darker than the Helles. Turned out they had a keg of Oktoberfest left over from the season. The bar tender asked if we wanted something else since it wasn't what we'd expected -- heck no, we stayed even longer! :wink:
     
  5. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Over the years I've seen this happen a few times. Obvious mistakes that were surprisingly not obvious to a day or two worth of patrons. We all make mistakes, but the part I don't like is when they're clearly in the wrong and the staff argues with you anyway.
     
  6. ncusatis

    ncusatis Crusader (483) Dec 22, 2014 Wisconsin
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    Dirty lines. I've been poured beers numerous times that were 1/2 fresh keg, half old keg. I kindly ask if they can run the line a little longer until the new beer is pouring. This generally happens at bars that are not beer-centric.
     
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  7. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado



    I had Hop Venom on tap at one place in Denver around the time of GABF. What you had was probably left over and 'somewhat' mislabeled. I say somewhat because this isn't a mislabeling I would be upset about since both are first class beers. And curiously enough, I also had Notorious, Hop Venom and RPM while in Oregon.
     
  8. thebeers

    thebeers Grand Pooh-Bah (5,837) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    That was probably right after they started courting the Corona deal. (Sorry, too easy.)
     
  9. balmand

    balmand Devotee (323) Oct 18, 2015 New Jersey

    It was many months ago but I agree, too easy :rolling_eyes:
     
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  10. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, as @steveh noted, in most states (if not "all", but who's got time to search 51 different sets of regulations), it is a legal requirement for tap handles to be visible and identify the actual brand of beer (granted, an often neglected requirement and, apparently, an illegible, handwritten note on a bar napkin taped the some other brewer's tap handle satisfies some ABC inspectors :rolling_eyes:).

    But in this case:
    So, a bar is serving the "wrong beer" with the "wrong tap handle" and the two negatives wind up, legally, to be a positive. :astonished:
     
  11. tillmac62

    tillmac62 Pooh-Bah (2,859) Oct 2, 2013 South Carolina
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    People make mistakes and they also do things intentionally. Both have happened and always will. Call them out when you see it.
     
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  12. bluehende

    bluehende Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2010 Delaware

    This is so true. As others say it is how the establishment handles it after the fact. Also how often it happens.
     
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  13. needMIbeer

    needMIbeer Pooh-Bah (2,178) Feb 5, 2014 Virginia
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    Was at a small bar in the Little Italy neighborhood here in Baltimore meeting my wife and some of her co-workers for a drink after work. I walked in and ordered a DFH 60 minute as it was one of the few non-macro options available. As soon as I took my first sip I immediately knew it not only wasn't 60 minute but wasn't an IPA at all. I said something to the bartender who happened to be the owner and he was initially kind of taken aback that I would suggest such a thing. After some back and forth he went downstairs to check the keg and came back slightly embarrassed. He admitted that he had made a mistake and what was actually tapped was DFH Peircing Pils. He ended up thanking me buying my beers the rest of the night.
     
  14. rjd722

    rjd722 Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2013 Maryland

    Could definitely be dirty tap lines, if it's not a clear mislabeling issue. There is a bar a few blocks from my apartment in Bethesda that has both Loose Cannon and Goose Island IPA on tap, when I moved down here I would occasionally go there with friends and these were really the only decent beers on tap so I would get them. Something always tasted a bit off about them and so I stayed away from both beers for a while. After hearing good things consistently about Loose Cannon specifically, I decided try the canned version and it was excellent. The next time I went to that bar I got it again to compare and it was WAY different, no doubt dirty lines.
     
  15. DaveAnderson

    DaveAnderson Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2011 Minnesota

    About a week ago, my wife ordered a HammerHeart Forraedersblod, a 7% rye pale ale, and got served something very strong. We asked the bar to check the keg, and sure enough, it was the 13% Valkyrie Tears from the same brewery.

    Don't know if that's illegal, but it sure could be dangerous.
     
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  16. keithmurray

    keithmurray Pooh-Bah (2,967) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut
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    last week I was at a bar and their tap list said they had Spaten Octoberfest, so I order one, when I got the glass of beer back, tasted it, it was obviously a pumpkin ale, so I sent it back with the quickness
     
  17. ChangSing

    ChangSing Zealot (640) May 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I hope at least that it's generally just a mistake and nobody would intentionally sell the wrong beer(although if Bar Rescue is to be believed many owners will buy swill vodka and put it in a premium bottle so who knows). I think it typically is more so just nasty tap lines. I remember when my local spot finally started to get decent beer the tapped Bells Amber, but they never flushed the line so the first couple pours we like 50% Amber and 50% Molson.
     
  18. Denver_Beer_Guy

    Denver_Beer_Guy Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2013 Colorado

    Serving a mislabeled item in Colorado is illegal. If you ever feel that the beer you're drinking is not the beer that is advertised I would ask the staff/speak to a manager about it. I would imagine it was just a incompetence mistake (wrong keg delivered, uninformed staff, dirty lines) vs. a deliberate misleading.
     
  19. Rollinghops513

    Rollinghops513 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2015 Ohio

    Went for Stone GoTo at my bachelor party, saw the tap handle, and it was listed. Turns out, it was Cali-Belgique.
     
  20. Alexmc2

    Alexmc2 Pundit (808) Jul 29, 2006 New Hampshire

    Could be a mispicked keg, happens quite a bit. Or dirty lines as others have suggested.
     
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