what happened to this beer?

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  1. ryanhooks81

    ryanhooks81 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Georgia

    popped a bottle of propolis granum dated 5-14. this is what i found, never seen it before and im trying to find out what it is. i had to taste it, it tasted ok. but out of concern, i couldnt do it.

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  2. OnePuttBlunder

    OnePuttBlunder Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2015 Arizona

    That's some shitty luck
     
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  3. ryanhooks81

    ryanhooks81 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Georgia

    yall are awesome. i want to know what happened and why. any takers?
     
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  4. Angerhaus

    Angerhaus Pooh-Bah (2,020) Oct 1, 2015 Rhode Island
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    Did you buy it fresh or more recently? Did you get it from a store or brewery? If store, is it a place you trust to properly care for the brew? How and for how long was it stored after you purchased it? Did you store it standing or on its side?
     
  5. timotao

    timotao Pundit (984) Sep 16, 2013 New York
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    bottle was stored upside down?
     
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  6. ryanhooks81

    ryanhooks81 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Georgia

    Upright in the fridge since May 2014
     
  7. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    You could contact the brewery and see if they have any idea. Send them the picture too.
     
  8. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Well, i agree that you have gotten totally awesome answers...WTF, people?

    It looks like the residue I see in home brewing when the krausen falls. Whatever floats with the krausen sticks like crazy to the sides of the bucket above the liquid level. Is it possible there was a vigorous enough fermentation in the bottle to create a krausen? I dont know if that can happen, but others might. I was trying to figure how it could be yeast if it is on the top...was the bottle stored on its side or was it upside down for a while? Maybe just a foamy bottle at filling with some sediment floating on the foam? Kinda speculating here, but at least trying to think what it could be versus being a smartass. I cant figure if this beer was finished with Brett...one place says it is, but not the brewery web site. Pellicle in the bottle? Seems unlikely as krausen in the bottle...

    This is a year old beer, according to the website it was not made this year, right? Shouldnt matter, as Propolis actually recommends some aging as beneficial. Most likely it isnt harmful since it more or less cant be. Maybe send them the picture?

    Was the cap secure? I dont know if that would cause what you saw if it was not tight.

    @JackHorzempa ...what do you think? You also know people (better than I do) who might be helpful...give some troops a shout?
     
  9. SaintBenedict

    SaintBenedict Crusader (457) Nov 10, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Looks like secondary fermentation might have occurred in the bottle. Same thing happened in a few of my home brews, though I didn't notice any adverse effects.
     
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  10. vabeerguy

    vabeerguy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,245) Sep 21, 2015 Virginia
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    I have changed many a baby diaper in my day and this reminds me of that.

    I do have a story to tell though. About six months ago the termite inspector was looking around in my crawl space. When he came out he asked me if I knew I had an old case of Miller beer hidden behind one of the support posts. I had forgotten that I hid it there over ten years ago (reason why I will not copt to).

    Anyway, I brought this up because I opened one and it looked good, smelled good, and being a guy was tempted to taste it. But I didn't. Instead, I poured the case on the compost pile because I was told earthworms like beer. My wife says that guys have a lot in common with earthworms.

    So my question is how can a ten year old cheap beer not be in the same sorry shape as yours unless somehow it got contaminated/infected.
     
  11. conoraugustine

    conoraugustine Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2015 North Carolina

    toilet aged stout
     
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  12. 1000lbgrizzly

    1000lbgrizzly Maven (1,497) Jul 16, 2013 Illinois

    Everyone has thought it, I'm just saying it... could it simply be yeast? It's uniform in color and consistency and looks just like lees, only at the top of the bottle. It's maybe just a little darker. How it got to the top of the bottle... maybe it was upright at some point and was kept cool enough to stick to the sides, you did say it was refrigerated the whole time. I've had plenty of homebrews that were kept above freezing temperature and had yeast stuck in all kinds of weird places. Looks nasty, but if you tasted it and it seems fine... seems like an unnecessary drainpour.
     
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  13. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    Isn't Granum a Saison? I find that "residue" to be pretty dark for a Saison.
     
  14. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    sh*t was stored on its side / upside down
    dome that f*cker
     
  15. jzeilinger

    jzeilinger Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,847) Dec 4, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    I agree with you on the looks. For krausen, if that were true the bottle should have exploded from the pressure and shame on the brewer for bottling it before it reached terminal gravity.
     
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  16. rab53

    rab53 Initiate (0) May 1, 2005 Washington
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    It looks like yeast, probably from being stored at some point with the bottle neck down. It happens with bottle conditioned beers sometimes. Most (all?) Propolis beers I have had have been corked then capped. There would have been some non-trivial pressure release when you uncapped that if it were krausen from an unintentional secondary fermentation.

    This assessment is coming from someone who lives fairly close to the brewery and is an active homebrewer.
     
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  17. hopnado

    hopnado Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2014 Michigan

    Anybody ever point your shocking resemblance to Kenny from Half Baked? Nasty Nate shat in your beer, man
     
  18. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    I don't see how the Krausen could form up without busting the seal. My bet is before you got it it was stored upside down and when it was flipped that shit decided to hang around the cap and neck. When you popped it was it under pressure or did it seem flat? As usual pour it and drink it, odds are you have done that already or dumped it.
     
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  19. ryanhooks81

    ryanhooks81 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Georgia

    Thanks to most of you. Bottle was never stored on its side or upside down(who does that anyway). A cpl other observations I had: it was wax sealed with what looks and feels like beeswax, however the wax looked as if it had been breaking down. Specifically below the edge of the cap (which was showing signs of rust). I opted to taste it with a buddy (for the experience!), then decided to toss it. Pressure in the bottle was fine. Carbonation was fine. We should have drank it, but we just moved right on to the next bottle, terrapin Richland reserve, which was pretty good. More like a barleywine though

    Cheers.
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What is in that photograph has the look of krausen. How krausen could have formed in a beer stored vertically (not upside down) is a mystery to me.

    I think that @bbtkd has a good suggestion in that you should e-mail this photograph to the brewery and ask them what's up.

    Cheers!
     
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